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and this episode is skeptico

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show about making tough decisions how

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you're doing God's work we are

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preventing the end of days you can't

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prevent Evil by doing evilness and how

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you need the data in order to make those

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decisions their interest was in the

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mechanism for turning on ESP and turning

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it off we know that kit green was

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working on this for the CIA since at

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least the 70s we're just now hearing

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Gary Nolan talking about it the Nazis

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were doing it during World War II the

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Russians were doing it before that we

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can't exactly fill in those gaps we

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don't know if it is the drugs right or

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we don't know if the deception on the

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other side was something we'd call

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demonic or satanic or wherever you want

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to go and that was leading it or we

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don't know if there's any difference

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between demonic and satanic and E.T that

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first clip was from an old movie called

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the end of days with Arnold

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Schwarzenegger who doesn't appear in

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that clip but it's kind of interesting

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that he was in that kind of movie and

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the second was from today's guest Marty

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Garza so you may remember Marty and his

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outstanding Deep dive into all things

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UFO ET from a couple episodes ago and if

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not you're in for a treat guy knows a

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lot and we kind of went in a lot of

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different directions with this one very

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level three skeptical style I hope you

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enjoy it

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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I'm joined today by Marty Garza and for

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those of you who are skeptico fans

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skeptical followers uh you will remember

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that Mari joined me a few episodes ago

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we did a very excellent show with the

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guys from Brothers of the serpent

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podcast Russ and Kyle and they've been

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doing this ongoing series with Marty on

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UFOs and I was just blown away with what

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of them at this point and this guy has

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done fantastic Research into all sorts

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of different aspects this kind of Deep

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dive both deep and Broad into this topic

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I was super impressed I love the chance

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to have an interaction with Marty and

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Ross and Kyle because they have their

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own unique and very valuable perspective

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but I really really appreciated the time

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that I had until talking with Marty

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I hope at the end of this you'll see why

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I think he really is a tremendously

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valuable and important voice in this

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whole UFO thing and that might surprise

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you because maybe you've never heard of

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Marty Garza or then again maybe you have

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and I say that because Marty has a

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secret second life or really a first

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life I want to play this a little bit

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but anyways this guy was inducted into

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the monster truck Hall of Fame you know

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that's a billion dollar industry well

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come on man tell us tell us a little bit

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about your background what we saw there

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the whole Overkill thing right to be on

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Alex it's a it's an honor to be on with

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you as you know I'm a big follower of

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your fan of your channel as well your

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podcast so that is I guess you could

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look at that as more like a crash reel

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or crash highlights but uh yeah that

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that's uh in industry I've been involved

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in for uh the majority of my life

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probably since about 1984 and I was

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fortunate enough to have been inducted

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into the Hall of Fame a few years ago so

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rehearsal I'm going to call it of this

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on Friday because I totally screwed up

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with the recording but you mentioned

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that there is an alien on the side of

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your truck and I went back and watched a

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video and I saw that and that your

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interest in UFO slash ET kind of

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predates the monster truck thing right

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phenomenon my the just about my entire

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life but as I got a little older I spent

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of the phenomenon and it's quite a

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contrast with my other life in the

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monster truck side where that is almost

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entirely nuts and bolts physical you

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know uh attributes versus the more uh

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uh I guess intangible aspects that

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one is nuts and bolts nuts and bolts is

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really so much a part of the UFO thing

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and when you try and get get away from

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it like you and I do when we talk about

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sucks you're right back in because

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somebody has an encounter with that

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technology or someone's has a suspicion

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that we have that is the United States

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appearing as part of the phenomenon so

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there there is this kind of overlap

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there but the other overlap that I'm

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reaching for it a little bit but I think

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there's a connection there

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you have a passion for this topic and I

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passion is about big picture questions

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who am I why am I here and I'm just

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crazy enough to think that I can go out

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and talk to a bunch of these different

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people and I can get answers to those

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kind of big picture questions and I'm

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chuckling about it now but I really am

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not chuckling about that is how I really

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think I think I can get answers to these

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fears that I have

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and the fears about what this phenomenon

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this world in this time space and how I

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about the monster truck thing is like we

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I want to do as long as I'm really not

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messing with anyone too much

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ET in UFO is that we might not have a

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handle on that at a whole different

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level Beyond uh the ruskies or the

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commies or any it's just like they're

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you relate to that at all or does that

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meaningful to me the you know the the

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monster trucks being uh quintessentially

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American phenomenon I I would say that

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humans in a environment that I believe

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we we've got to be careful what we wish

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for right we need to be careful that by

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materialist reductionists

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perception of something that may be

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that we possess a science that can

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because I think it's really lacking is

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we're going to try and Pull Apart all

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these different angles when you say

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clued into what you're talking about and

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they're going like Marty you're talking

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this way of looking at the phenomena

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this concept but rather than necessarily

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as we know could be debated forever

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no amount of no amount of information is

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light in the sky is a is a UFO and

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others even when there are physical

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and all this other you know multiple

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aspects to support this this encounter

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there are still Skeptics that will be

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remain unconvinced regardless of what's

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presented to them so rather than waste a

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tremendous amount of time debating

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something that there will never be a

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just data right and and you put all this

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patterns I think the the key is in the

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patterns because and I'm gonna this is

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somewhat fits right now is that

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whatever but we keep hearing the

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allegory of the cave Plato's alegrated

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Cave the idea is that we are in the cave

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and we are seeing the Shadows cast

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from a reality that's outside of our

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known reaction what we can perceive

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right the problem with that I see with

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that that I don't I don't know that

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that's necessarily the best allegory to

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apply to what what we're experiencing is

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that

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experiencing is simply a consequence of

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what is happening outside of our

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perception

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I don't think that's entirely accurate

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because some of what we're experiencing

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appears to be purposeful deceit or

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manipulation as a result of what's

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happening outside of our perception

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Martin let me interject here because

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where a lot of people are going to go

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with this from where you're going

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they're going to go okay he's just

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talking about the Jacques Valley stuff

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and Jacqueline it deserves a ton of

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credit because he was one of the first

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people to really say Hey you know don't

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these ETS wind up sounding a lot like

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elves and you know doesn't don't the

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stories change over time and aren't they

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culturally based and then he's also the

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deception guide to bring in that I think

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you're saying that what else are you

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saying what are you where are you taking

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that I guess I'll back up to to my

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description of this three-dimensional

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graph when you start looking at all

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these data points and we look at

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those and we start to look for patterns

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in in this we will see that if we let's

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say we ignore what a you know I think if

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if nothing else what we should have

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learned by now is that nothing related

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to the phenomenon should be taken at

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face value

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are there and there are multiple reasons

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for that that I'm sure we're going to

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get into as we get further in this

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conversation but

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as this applies to the graph

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in the patterns we will see that maybe

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the appearance of the phenomena may have

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have been different but the conduct was

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the same and we start seeing this

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consistency there are certain

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consistencies in these and we can get

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into maybe some some of what those

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consistencies might be but once you

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start looking at it from that

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perspective you start to see that you

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know what maybe what we're seeing is

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effectively like

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a and I guess in this place to the

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manipulation side that their their

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it's like let's say

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then a a newscast

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an evening newscast and what you're

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seeing on the screen is what somebody's

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narrative is that they want you to

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believe they're showing you things to

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lead you to a certain conclusion but

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they could also be excluding things that

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might be counter to that but regardless

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this you're being shown things that will

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lead you in a certain direction

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well

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that's where I think that when we start

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looking at these patterns we see that

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the things that were historically

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considered to be

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Angels demons fawns you know Bigfoot

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those kind of things they appear

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different

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and that includes

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and and that would include craft right

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physical craft but the conduct the

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pattern of conduct what they how they

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interacted with the individual is fairly

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consistent so are these simply

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screens that were being shown that are

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not necessarily representative of what

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is truly behind it okay so I love this

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because you're going so level three you

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know so beyond the normal discourse and

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I almost feel like you're kind of going

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to the master class thing my pushback

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kind of skeptical style would be maybe a

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lens into how we would process that

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bigger picture which I'm totally with

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you on I'm totally with you so much but

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I feel like we can't go there until we

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start

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deconstructing the current discourse

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that we're having so let me start with

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with this one because I really enjoyed

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the dialogue the conversations you had

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with the grimerica guys my old friends

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Darren and Graham and you guys were

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talking about the Eric Weinstein Show

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when he was on Joe Rogan so let me play

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this clip and then we'll begin to

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deconstruct it first of all one we may

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be faking a UFO uh situation for reasons

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that I don't understand if we are faking

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a UFO situation do you think that

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there's technology that's available to

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people in the United States that is

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beyond our current understanding of

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what's possible ninety percent no ninety

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percent no

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so here's my point on that and then I

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want to go right into another clip and

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then I'll get your response to it Eric

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Weinstein is a super smart guy a

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mathematician really understands physics

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and just a very bright and articulate

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guy he in this case does not know what

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he's talking about and what's really

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Troublesome is he doesn't even seem to

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know that he may not know what he's

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talking about let me play another clip

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and you tell me if you think this guy

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and the people he's referring to maybe

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are in a better position to know what

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they're talking about on this episode of

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skeptico Alex talks with author and UFO

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researcher Grant Cameron track this guy

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down he turns out to be Dr Eric Walker

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who was former president of Penn State

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University for 15 years he was the

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chairman of the board of the institute

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for defense analysis which is the top

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military think tank for the United

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States uh military he would he was the

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co-develo developer of the the Homing

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torpedo he was friends with band of our

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Bush he had this incredible unbelievable

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background of uh you know military and

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uh connections with presidents and stuff

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like this so when we go to him We're

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interviewing him as UFO researchers

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we're not thinking about the mind we

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couldn't care less about you know we no

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connection whatsoever we're talking to

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him and we're trying to find out the

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supposed UFO group that runs the whole

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thing is the the mj-12 we're asking him

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questions about mj-12 did you have

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contact with the aliens uh how did the

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thing operate how did you cover up the

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UFO thing and in 1990 in the middle of

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one of these interviews he suddenly cuts

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off the conversation talking about

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Hardware about bodies and all those

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sorts and he suddenly says how good is

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your Sixth Sense how much do you know

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about ESP and the other guy goes well

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you know I don't really he started of

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interest to him I don't know what's

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going on and Walker says then as unless

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you know about it and how to use it you

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will not be taken in because the

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question was about who's running the

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group what's this mg12 how many people

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are on the group how are these people

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operating and he says unless you uh know

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about ESP and how to use it you would

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not be taken in by this overriding group

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that runs the UFO program only a few

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know about it

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and then in 1993 there's a related story

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with Ben Rich Ben Rich was the guy who

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ran Skunk Works the the U2 the SR-71 the

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stealth fighter the stealth bomber they

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were all developed by what was called

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Skunk Works and Ben Rich ran it and he

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would get a number of questions about

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was this UFO technology and he's giving

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a lecture in 1993 he's dying of cancer

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he gives a lecture at UCLA to a bunch of

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Engineers finishes the lecture he's

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walking out and one of the engineers

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who's interested in UFOs runs after and

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he says to Ben Rich he says Ben Rich how

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are these things propelled how Are UFOs

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propelled and Ben Rich turns around and

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he says to him let me ask you a question

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how does ESP work okay who knows what

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they're talking about who completely

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doesn't know what they're talking about

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but has millions and millions of views

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on Spotify and YouTube okay I'm gonna

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bring up something that we that we

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discussed in our previous conversation

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on on brothers of the serpent I

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um Regular listeners of the podcast

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probably understand that I very often

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will use analogies or allegories to to

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make a point and I did one uh a few

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months back

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they're referred to as the wall and it's

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the story synopsis of the story would be

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somebody wrote a message across the

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entire Great Wall of China

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and everybody was you know freaking out

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about this and trying to understand what

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was it all about what was the meaning

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and who was behind it

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and each individual Village

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that was at the wall had a completely

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different interpretation of what it was

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what it said and what it meant

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that's sort of the difference

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of the two clips that you played

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Eric Weinstein is viewing

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his part of the wall from the

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perspective of science

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and materialist science

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Grant Cameron has walked that wall

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he didn't just look at the part in front

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of his village

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he's walked that wall and he's got a

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better perspective of

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it appears from this part to look this

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way but as you take more of that in the

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picture starts to change and you

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understand that things aren't always as

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they appear

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see I think your analogy is too generous

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uh because we've all run into this uh

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Weinstein just doesn't know and he's he

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he lives in this Ivory Tower where

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people Pat him on the back and he just

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gets around people other people tell him

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how smart he is how much he knows and

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they ask him his opinion on all sorts of

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stupid stuff that he doesn't know

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anything about and somehow he gives his

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opinion he just doesn't know what he's

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talking about we encounter this all the

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time but we as you know guys who are

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trying to answer these big picture

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questions we got to be able to see that

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difference we got to be able to see

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Weinstein is not like somebody who has a

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unique perspective based on all their

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scientific knowledge versus somebody

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just doesn't know what they're talking

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about and it's kind of just blabbing

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because they have the clout to get on

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Rogan's show

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all right let me clarify a couple of

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points you I'm I'm going to agree with

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you and disagree in that

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someone living in a village can read a

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sentence and and and interpret that

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sentence accurately

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doesn't mean they're right about what

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the overall message is but from their

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perspective they're a hundred percent

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right and it would be hard if you if

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we're to isolate

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the the view of this down to that

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sentence they could be a hundred percent

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accurate and that is what effectively

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what Einstein is doing from his

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perspective he's convinced but you have

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to factor in that he's only seen a very

552
00:23:58,669 --> 00:23:54,360
small part of it

553
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,679
our conversation on grimerica in my I

554
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:01,200
guess what impressed me about that Rogan

555
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,140
episode had nothing to do with UFOs in

556
00:24:10,210 --> 00:24:07,679
the sense of the phenomenon what

557
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:10,220
impressed me was his

558
00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:12,659
starting to give the impression that

559
00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:15,539
he's starting to understand the

560
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:18,120
mechanisms at clay here where there

561
00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:20,100
again things are not always as they

562
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:22,500
appear and that there appears to be some

563
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:25,080
type of an agenda going on in the

564
00:24:31,789 --> 00:24:29,159
background and what that agenda is might

565
00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:31,799
be related to human technology

566
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:35,400
advancement in science that was being

567
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:38,820
withheld from even the the open

568
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:42,000
scientific Community not the UFO

569
00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:44,520
phenomenon per se he knows virtually

570
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:46,919
nothing about the europhophenone other

571
00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:48,840
than what he's heard which he

572
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,700
acknowledges he's heard from his friends

573
00:24:54,529 --> 00:24:52,799
Brandon fugel and people that he's

574
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:54,539
associated with and he goes and he says

575
00:24:58,190 --> 00:24:56,100
look there's people have no reason to

576
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,200
lie to me I believe them when they tell

577
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:59,520
me that they've had these odd

578
00:25:04,450 --> 00:25:01,620
experiences that's the extent of his

579
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:04,460
knowledge really

580
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,919
the legwork that we have to research

581
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:09,840
this for decades he's been into it for a

582
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:11,880
short period of time because he was

583
00:25:15,169 --> 00:25:13,860
allegedly approached

584
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:15,179
by

585
00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:18,360
government agencies or individuals

586
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:21,179
representing themselves as being members

587
00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:23,220
of certain agencies

588
00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:26,340
and those of us who have been following

589
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:28,020
this for decades know that this is a

590
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:29,640
repetitive pattern this is nothing new

591
00:25:35,570 --> 00:25:33,000
he's just the latest version of yes so

592
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:35,580
that I want to almost carve that out of

593
00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:38,520
the the whole Opie thing and it because

594
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:40,980
it's always in play and as you pointed

595
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,460
out in this in the rehearsal is just

596
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,080
because you're part of an OP doesn't

597
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:48,480
mean you know you're part of it I mean

598
00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:51,179
that's Sometimes the best so the we

599
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,419
should be curious as to why this guy who

600
00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:56,159
doesn't seem to know

601
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,740
anything about either I would say he

602
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,659
doesn't seem to know anything about the

603
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,360
very human technology that may be being

604
00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:06,480
developed or anything really about the

605
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,760
UFO phenomenon that's another point I'd

606
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:10,860
kind of slightly disagree with you you

607
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:12,539
say he's bringing to the table this

608
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,340
knowledge of well I know this guy he's

609
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,080
working working on anti-gravitational

610
00:26:21,230 --> 00:26:18,720
you know yeah he knows a little bit but

611
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,240
as the clip I played from Grant Cameron

612
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:23,760
from seven years ago and from interviews

613
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:26,640
he did 30 years ago

614
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:28,140
there's all these people where they're

615
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:30,179
in a much better position much better

616
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,020
position to know that stuff and also are

617
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:36,320
out why are they off of

618
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,480
Weinstein's radar and if and why are

619
00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:41,460
they so completely off of his radar and

620
00:26:45,649 --> 00:26:43,860
how is he so oblivious that there's

621
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:45,659
people out there that are Office right

622
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,400
there he doesn't seem to be aware of

623
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:49,740
Skunk Works Lockheed Martin all the

624
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:51,240
technology that goes into this stuff

625
00:26:57,769 --> 00:26:55,500
that is on the borderline of you know

626
00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:57,779
secret and then all the stuff that's

627
00:27:02,990 --> 00:26:59,400
beyond that

628
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,000
I think it is it's important to to note

629
00:27:10,090 --> 00:27:05,520
that he is beginning

630
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:10,100
to Cave a little where he he was firmly

631
00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:13,260
entrenched in the skeptical you know

632
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:15,659
perspective I think that he's opening

633
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:17,580
himself up to the possibility that other

634
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:20,100
things may be right but but again I

635
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,500
don't I don't place any real importance

636
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:24,480
on it to me his important the importance

637
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:28,500
was a kind of a separate side interest

638
00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:31,320
that I have on because I'm a techie guy

639
00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:35,400
I like technology and I have a Content

640
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:38,340
the contention that we cracked Fusion

641
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:40,919
technology as a part of SDI back in the

642
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:43,620
80s or maybe even early 90s and I think

643
00:27:47,890 --> 00:27:45,480
that more or less was what impressed me

644
00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:47,900
because you don't generally don't hear

645
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:49,799
discussion of that kind of thing and

646
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:51,240
we've talked about that on you know

647
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:53,580
brothers and server before where there

648
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,220
appears to have been censorship of that

649
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:58,559
kind of a discussion in the past so it's

650
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:01,440
it's kind of strange but that leads to

651
00:28:06,529 --> 00:28:04,500
this disclosure movement thing because

652
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:06,539
I believe that the reason that we're

653
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:09,299
even having these conversations and and

654
00:28:15,409 --> 00:28:11,700
you're seeing these things in the media

655
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,419
is because I believe it is likely that

656
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:17,880
this is a result of

657
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,520
potential adversaries

658
00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:22,740
China Russia

659
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:25,980
maybe nearing or or on the verge of

660
00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:28,380
breaking cracking this these same

661
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:29,700
Technologies

662
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:32,220
and some of this is to serve as

663
00:28:36,769 --> 00:28:34,020
disinformation right it's giving them

664
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:36,779
plausible deniability oh that thing over

665
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:39,240
your you know your restricted airspace

666
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:41,820
oh it wasn't us it was it was clearly a

667
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:44,220
UFO you know that kind of I think that

668
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:45,960
that is definitely a factor and I guess

669
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:48,600
I should explain also that when earlier

670
00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:51,000
when I mentioned the allegory the click

671
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:52,460
the cave not

672
00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:55,320
not uh considering the fact that some of

673
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,860
this is uh is deception this again is a

674
00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:01,200
multi-layer thing because the deception

675
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:02,820
isn't strictly on the part of

676
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:06,480
governments trying to uh you know cover

677
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,260
up the existence of something the

678
00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:13,320
phenomenon itself is deceptive if you do

679
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,419
enough Research into this you will see

680
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:19,200
that it is very manipulative and

681
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:21,960
so much so that it is worked its way

682
00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:25,020
into society to where we can't see the

683
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:28,200
forest from the trees we literally live

684
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:33,000
many people live in the deception that

685
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:35,159
these that this phenomenon has created

686
00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:37,380
and I know that we're going to get into

687
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,940
that because that gets into some really

688
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:40,799
touchy areas but

689
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:44,520
it is in my opinion pervasive but it

690
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,580
gets very difficult to segregate these

691
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,640
things you know I know it's a it's a

692
00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:53,279
common again when you you stick to the

693
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:55,740
materialist you know aliens in physical

694
00:30:02,330 --> 00:29:59,880
craft from another planet type of uh in

695
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:02,340
that context there's a tendency to say

696
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:04,980
oh the government is withholding uh

697
00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:07,380
information uh the existence of these

698
00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:09,020
this phenomena well

699
00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:12,360
bottom line the phenomenon is the one in

700
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:14,279
charge if they wanted to make themselves

701
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,919
no they would it would it's that they

702
00:30:19,549 --> 00:30:18,299
hold all the cards

703
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:19,559
now

704
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:22,020
what if for what reason would

705
00:30:27,289 --> 00:30:24,059
governments go along with this and what

706
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,299
what inch what is the mutual interest

707
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:30,240
involved here that's a completely

708
00:30:33,529 --> 00:30:31,980
separate topic that could be a show of

709
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,539
its own you know but

710
00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:36,000
we have to recognize that there are many

711
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:38,039
factors involved we can't break it down

712
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:40,200
into these simple little tidy little

713
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:41,100
pick

714
00:30:47,529 --> 00:30:44,039
this picture that I believe

715
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,539
is something that was purposefully

716
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:50,640
manufactured it's a narrative that was

717
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:54,360
created almost from the beginning of the

718
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:56,940
modern UFO era I believe that a lot of

719
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:58,140
this

720
00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:01,140
has been constrained down to a very

721
00:31:06,190 --> 00:31:02,580
nightly

722
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:06,200
you know segregated it's either

723
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:08,220
extraterrestrial or it doesn't exist

724
00:31:12,529 --> 00:31:10,620
it's this binary choice and I don't

725
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:12,539
believe that's the case

726
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:15,240
well this is kind of again mind-blowing

727
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,340
level three kind of stuff that I'm right

728
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:20,399
there with you and I'd love to jump

729
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:22,380
right in there and that's what I usually

730
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:24,899
do I'm going to play a different role

731
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:26,220
here because

732
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,700
I I think in a way we're going to talk

733
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:31,799
in in the process of doing it this way

734
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,120
we're going to show uh another aspect of

735
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,360
the multi-layered impossible to Fathom

736
00:31:45,649 --> 00:31:42,480
always a contradiction and a deception

737
00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:45,659
kind of uh Thing by doing it

738
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:47,580
and I think we already started down that

739
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:50,100
path and that is to say you know here's

740
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:51,720
this guy Eric Weinstein when you start

741
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:54,120
pulling it apart it doesn't it just

742
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:56,340
doesn't make sense and it's for me it

743
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:57,419
doesn't make sense because he doesn't

744
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:58,380
have

745
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,840
the knowledge that we would that these

746
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:03,360
other people clearly have and yet he's

747
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,480
the one who's being ordained to come out

748
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:08,880
and talk and this is I think really

749
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,640
important because this is what drives

750
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,159
you and I I think is that this shapes

751
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:17,279
people's opinion in a way that

752
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:19,620
this kind of drives us crazy right

753
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,419
because you or I will talk to somebody

754
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:24,000
and they'll go oh man did you see that

755
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:26,760
oh I'm blown away you know he told me

756
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:29,460
this and then you want to go okay sit

757
00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:31,260
down do you have like three hours let me

758
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,059
tell you how that whole thing fits into

759
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:35,279
this other thing let me interject right

760
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,100
there real quick I mean and this is this

761
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:40,500
is pulling from my other life back into

762
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:41,399
this

763
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,840
when you're in the entertainment

764
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:44,640
industry which is effectively what the

765
00:32:49,549 --> 00:32:47,700
monster truck industry is you you

766
00:32:52,669 --> 00:32:49,559
quickly learn

767
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:52,679
that it isn't about Talent

768
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,140
there are many very talented people that

769
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,120
no one ever heard of

770
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,240
it's it's all especially nowadays it's

771
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:02,640
all about who's got the who's God how

772
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,380
many you know the most followers on

773
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:06,720
Twitter or or

774
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,240
it's not about how much knowledge does

775
00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:11,760
he have how you know how authoritatively

776
00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:14,760
can he speak about this it's about his

777
00:33:21,169 --> 00:33:18,899
public Persona he's he's well known so

778
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,179
he's he's gonna get the attention the

779
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:23,519
shiny object always gets the attention

780
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:27,480
meanwhile the guys that have their head

781
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:30,299
down and just focus on getting to the

782
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:32,700
bottom of this they're they're very

783
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,960
resell them are they going to be the

784
00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:35,760
ones with the spotlight based on them

785
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,419
okay uh accept that as as true you know

786
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:41,820
we can all kind of Nod our head and go

787
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,580
along with that what I want to point out

788
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:46,320
and that that's why you're on this show

789
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:49,559
right now is because what I resonate

790
00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:52,500
with is Marta guards is looking for the

791
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,019
truth he's not looking to build

792
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,799
followers about his UFO stuff you would

793
00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:01,200
go about it in a different way you would

794
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,019
express yourself in a different way and

795
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:06,240
I I think there's enough people like you

796
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,000
and I who are like they're not beholding

797
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:11,460
to anyone they don't really have an

798
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:14,700
agenda other than to figure this stuff

799
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:16,200
out and I won't even I was about to say

800
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:17,820
Seek the truth but it's not like truth

801
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:20,220
seeking is a deeper spiritual thing this

802
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:22,500
is just like sorting through the data

803
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:25,800
and that's what I think we're doing and

804
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:30,060
at the end goal for me is to be able to

805
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:31,619
approach the topics that you were

806
00:34:36,290 --> 00:34:34,260
talking about because we might have a

807
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:36,300
slight difference of opinion on to what

808
00:34:42,589 --> 00:34:37,500
extent

809
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:42,599
it's all about deception or it's an OP

810
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:45,060
or but those are the level three

811
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:47,700
conversations that we can only get to

812
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:49,980
if we kind of

813
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,040
clean the deck a little bit so we clean

814
00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:55,919
the deck with Eric Weinstein a little

815
00:35:02,690 --> 00:34:59,220
bit and here's the next bit of deck

816
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:02,700
cleaning that I do and actually it goes

817
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,080
back because we're gonna have to pick on

818
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:06,480
Eric Weiss a little bit more because you

819
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:08,220
mentioned a really important thing to me

820
00:35:12,109 --> 00:35:09,540
this is like the heart and soul of

821
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:12,119
skeptico you talked about materialist

822
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:15,300
science and

823
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:18,960
you and I at this point are so far past

824
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:21,420
that like you talk about the phenomenon

825
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:24,540
just casually you're like of course it

826
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:26,520
extends Beyond you know

827
00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:28,619
this nuts and bolts human consciousness

828
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,079
voice inside your head kind of thing and

829
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:34,079
what people don't realize is that is not

830
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:37,500
the case for Eric Weinstein these guys

831
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:40,380
who are materialist science have made

832
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:43,560
the ultimate blunder about how they

833
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:45,960
think the world exists they think the

834
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:48,660
world exists inside your head and there

835
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:51,720
can be no such thing as telepathy with a

836
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:55,980
alien or screen memory I mean they're on

837
00:36:00,890 --> 00:35:58,260
board with it in a very limited way if

838
00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:00,900
it was like technological in some way

839
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,140
but beyond that they can't get there so

840
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:06,960
let me play another clip another

841
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,380
skeptical clip from Dean Raiden and this

842
00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:11,520
one actually will pick on somebody

843
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,320
different we'll pick on Michael sherber

844
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:15,119
who is another guy has been on Rogan

845
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:15,900
like

846
00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:18,780
a gajillion times for

847
00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:21,900
all the wrong reasons but let me play

848
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:24,359
let me play this clip I have an

849
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,280
interview coming up with the Fantastic

850
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:28,740
Dean Rayden who I can assure you 100

851
00:36:35,770 --> 00:36:31,920
years from now students will be studying

852
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,780
his work because Dr Dean Raiden

853
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,880
experimentally has destroyed crushed

854
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,280
falsified to put it in scientific terms

855
00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:43,980
the long-standing dominant soulless

856
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:47,099
Paradigm that we are biological robots

857
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,500
in a meaningless universe and if you

858
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,359
think I'm laying it on a little too hard

859
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:53,520
there Give a listen to none other than

860
00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:56,099
Joe Rogan be acting it up with our old

861
00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:59,099
Frenemy Michael Shermer but if you think

862
00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:01,800
about it from the simple perspective the

863
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,480
entire universe is in your brain and

864
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,040
when you cease to exist the universe

865
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:07,200
ceases to exist it's just sort of True

866
00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:09,240
by definition now he goes a little bit

867
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:10,500
further and says you know that

868
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,780
Consciousness is everything and that we

869
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:15,599
bring into existence material stuff by

870
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:16,980
thinking about or observing it or

871
00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:18,300
whatever and here's some quantum physics

872
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,760
experiments are really spooky it's like

873
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:22,740
okay time out you know quantum physics

874
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:24,420
is weird and spooky Consciousness is

875
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:25,800
weird and spooky that doesn't mean

876
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:28,140
they're connected so you see it now

877
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:30,900
right you see the Tremor is just wrong

878
00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:33,780
or put it in another way his claims have

879
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:36,780
been falsified experimentally by none

880
00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:38,700
other than the work of today's guest Dr

881
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:41,400
Dean Rayden the spooky weird things with

882
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,040
quantum physics are related to

883
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,560
Consciousness and we can show it

884
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:48,780
experimentally here's a clip from the

885
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,700
interview coming up with Dean well so

886
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,800
we're trying to connect it to quantum

887
00:37:57,290 --> 00:37:54,960
mechanics and so we've done that in two

888
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:57,300
ways the first way is using a double

889
00:38:02,870 --> 00:37:59,880
slit Optical system to see if you can

890
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,880
gain which path information which is uh

891
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:05,280
which of the two slits a photon goes

892
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:08,040
through and so we've we've now done

893
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:11,400
about two dozen such experiments and uh

894
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:12,660
some of them worked and some of them

895
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,700
don't work but if you do a meta-analysis

896
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:16,440
across the board it looks like there's

897
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,020
pretty good evidence that something is

898
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:21,119
going on that the the Consciousness is

899
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:23,160
involved in some way in the quantum

900
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,540
process

901
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:26,400
I also want to add in the one other

902
00:38:31,069 --> 00:38:28,980
Quantum oriented experiment that we more

903
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:31,079
recently published which involves the

904
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,720
use of entangled photons as the target

905
00:38:37,810 --> 00:38:36,240
of a mind matter interaction because he

906
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:37,820
wanted to look at non-local mind

907
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:40,500
interacting with non-local matter

908
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:42,660
and did it do anything part of the

909
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:44,099
experiment was looking at could you

910
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:45,900
increase the strength of entanglement

911
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:48,540
and then intentionally decrease the

912
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,859
strength of entanglement the short

913
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:51,839
answer is yeah we were able to modulate

914
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:52,560
it

915
00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:55,320
so that might be slightly obtuse to

916
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:57,000
those who haven't kind of been around

917
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:00,420
and do this I know you get it but trust

918
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:04,020
me or don't trust me that completely

919
00:39:10,450 --> 00:39:07,560
violates Eric Weinstein's view of the

920
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:10,460
world and science he's just wrong

921
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,859
materialism has been falsified by those

922
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,079
experiments that he mentioned what

923
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:18,240
Michael Shermer said in that quote from

924
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:21,680
Joe Rogan is completely contradicted

925
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:24,660
experimentally by what Dean Rayden says

926
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:27,720
so back to our conversation that you and

927
00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:29,220
I are having Marty

928
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:31,500
one reason we shouldn't trust Eric

929
00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:34,020
Weinstein is because he doesn't seem to

930
00:39:38,510 --> 00:39:36,359
know that there's a weird desk at

931
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:38,520
Lockheed Martin that sees all sorts of

932
00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:41,640
stuff that he has no uh imagination for

933
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:44,099
but the second reason we shouldn't trust

934
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:46,859
him or Neil deGrasse Tyson or Michael

935
00:39:52,609 --> 00:39:49,740
Shermer not trust him as Liars but trust

936
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:52,619
him is as reliable in this conversation

937
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:54,780
that we're having is they don't seem to

938
00:40:01,730 --> 00:39:58,980
understand that Consciousness is always

939
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:01,740
at play and that Consciousness is a

940
00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:04,740
fundamental aspect to the phenomenon as

941
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:08,520
you keep saying E.T is telepathic we

942
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:10,680
don't know how we don't know why but E.T

943
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:12,900
is telepathic EP

944
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:15,660
ET seems to have the ability to deceive

945
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:18,900
us at a level of screen memory or time

946
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:21,720
shifting or all this other stuff that if

947
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:23,820
you're not open to what I just played

948
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:26,280
there you are going to be shut down to

949
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,740
that and you won't even be able to bring

950
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:30,720
it into your point of reference because

951
00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:33,300
it violates everything that all the guys

952
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:35,640
at your Club say the club being you know

953
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:38,040
the conferences that you go to the

954
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:40,140
meetings you have of the department all

955
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:42,540
that stuff it's just it can't possibly

956
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:45,240
be in your wheelhouse well I mean

957
00:40:49,609 --> 00:40:46,380
there's a lot there was a lot there

958
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:49,619
right but I'll start with this part

959
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:52,020
just like Eric Weinstein is

960
00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:55,380
acknowledging now that there are there

961
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:56,460
is

962
00:41:01,490 --> 00:40:59,760
public science and black science black

963
00:41:04,609 --> 00:41:01,500
project science

964
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:04,619
instead of going by what the Talking

965
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:08,640
Heads say in public instead I would

966
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:11,460
suggest we look at the record of what is

967
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:12,780
it that the government has been

968
00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:15,000
investing in for

969
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:17,220
decades

970
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:21,780
as early as the 1952

971
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:23,700
and I know you've talked had you've had

972
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:26,099
discussions about it Andre paharic

973
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:30,660
was already working on the mechanisms to

974
00:41:36,290 --> 00:41:33,660
turn on and off this communication this

975
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:36,300
non-verbal communication this

976
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,500
interaction

977
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:40,200
I'm trying not to give too much

978
00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:43,140
information something that's still in is

979
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:46,440
developing I've got a series that that

980
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:48,660
Russ and Kyler first and I are

981
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:50,940
presenting right now that I call the

982
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,220
spookiest story never told and we have

983
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,680
only done one part but I've got

984
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:57,599
three at least three more parts coming

985
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:59,640
and it and it's sort of without giving

986
00:42:06,130 --> 00:42:01,380
too much away

987
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:06,140
talks about how governments came about

988
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:10,380
discovering that there was this non

989
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:13,680
-verbal maybe non-human intelligent

990
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,960
Communications hold on you're not going

991
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:17,280
to tell the story I'm going to tell the

992
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:18,780
story and then that's going to force you

993
00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:22,920
to pull into it because puharic is

994
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:24,839
like he's

995
00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:28,500
a genius he's at he's a PhD at

996
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:30,359
Northwestern which is known to be kind

997
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,300
of CIA incubation Center he does all

998
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,800
these various things but we'll cut to

999
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:35,760
the chase

1000
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,240
he starts having these seances with the

1001
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:42,240
nine and the nine are this Intergalactic

1002
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:45,300
if you will right out of Star Wars group

1003
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:46,619
that's

1004
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:49,260
ET essentially and it pulls them in a

1005
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:51,780
million different ways it's hard to know

1006
00:42:57,230 --> 00:42:55,140
what part of that is a deception on that

1007
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:57,240
other part and this and that but it

1008
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,880
becomes he is so important to the

1009
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:01,440
military at this point he is totally

1010
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:03,180
plugged in at the highest levels and

1011
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:05,160
they're being told to go do this but he

1012
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,660
then he always kind of Ventures off and

1013
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:08,640
does his own thing so

1014
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:11,339
I I had to set the table because I want

1015
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:13,619
you to take over but this is like

1016
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:15,480
if anyone goes and reads his history

1017
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,180
this is like in play this is like more

1018
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:21,359
than in play okay and without giving a

1019
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:24,300
lot of detail because in the series we

1020
00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:26,940
go into like the minutia of how these

1021
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:29,579
things came about because I think a lot

1022
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:31,140
of times people have heard certain

1023
00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:33,480
stories but they have no context they

1024
00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:36,599
can't they don't understand how that bit

1025
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,000
of data fits in with the big picture and

1026
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:41,520
and how this progressed over decades but

1027
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:43,020
just to give

1028
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:47,460
an example of how important this is

1029
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,859
as you mentioned Park was already doing

1030
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,900
this he was in uh you know the part

1031
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:53,280
about the communication with the nine

1032
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,180
and everything

1033
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:56,400
there's a lot of detail there there's a

1034
00:44:02,510 --> 00:43:59,400
lot to discuss but the most important

1035
00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:02,520
thing to recognize is that and this is

1036
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:05,339
part of his presentations to the

1037
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:08,040
Pentagon and how he was able to get them

1038
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:11,460
to fund This research was their interest

1039
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:15,599
was in the mechanism for turning on

1040
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,119
ESP and turning it off

1041
00:44:23,569 --> 00:44:20,400
and how that relates to what we see

1042
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:23,579
going on today is now you have Gary

1043
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:24,780
Nolan

1044
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:27,960
talking about schizophrenics

1045
00:44:32,809 --> 00:44:30,300
hearing voices

1046
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,819
and what mechanism might be at play to

1047
00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:34,319
that

1048
00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:36,839
schizophrenia is the inability to turn

1049
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:37,859
it off

1050
00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:40,380
and how Sooners they're getting clues we

1051
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:42,119
know that kit green was working on this

1052
00:44:47,569 --> 00:44:45,480
for the CIA since at least the 70s

1053
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:47,579
we're just now hearing Gary Nolan here

1054
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:49,380
you know talking about it you know

1055
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:52,380
within the last year or so but the

1056
00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:54,060
reality is this is research the

1057
00:44:59,329 --> 00:44:56,339
government has been conducting since at

1058
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:59,339
least the 50s that's the U.S government

1059
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,500
back up

1060
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:03,599
the Nazis were doing it during World War

1061
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:06,180
II the Russians were doing it before

1062
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,839
that and in part one I explained how how

1063
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,720
this came about how how it transitioned

1064
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:14,460
from being

1065
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:17,460
an interest of the of the Soviets

1066
00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:21,240
it got adopted by the Nazis then after

1067
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,880
the parts are going to get into how the

1068
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:25,859
U.S picked up the ball when we do

1069
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,140
Operation Paperclip we started to learn

1070
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:30,960
what they knew about this what did the

1071
00:45:35,329 --> 00:45:33,000
Russians learn about this and how did

1072
00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:35,339
that go forward there's a huge story

1073
00:45:41,089 --> 00:45:38,579
that's never been adequately told I know

1074
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:41,099
Annie Jacobson has talked a good bit

1075
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,380
about it but she's she's just kind of

1076
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,900
hitting the surface of much more

1077
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,480
esoteric things that were going on

1078
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:50,640
right the the only problem with that and

1079
00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:52,980
that is like another show both for for

1080
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,300
you guys to have because you're going to

1081
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:56,880
plow all that ground in great depth and

1082
00:46:02,930 --> 00:45:59,400
you do a great great job of it the the

1083
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:02,940
pull-up for me is that we can't exactly

1084
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,359
fill in those gaps in in a way paharic

1085
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:08,880
is like the the perfect figure for this

1086
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:12,900
because he kind of goes crazy in a way

1087
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:15,060
and part of it is because he starts

1088
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,700
doing too much drugs you know because

1089
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,680
the drugs are tapping into these

1090
00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:21,780
extended Realms and then he's doing more

1091
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:23,400
and more and that kind of leads him the

1092
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,500
wrong way and then also what we don't

1093
00:46:30,290 --> 00:46:27,780
know that even that is like we don't

1094
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:30,300
know if it is the drugs right or we

1095
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:32,760
don't know if the deception on the other

1096
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,400
side was not really E.T but was

1097
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:37,920
something we'd call demonic or satanic

1098
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:39,240
or wherever you want to go and that was

1099
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:40,859
leading it or we don't know if there's

1100
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:42,900
any difference between demonic and

1101
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,020
satanic and E.T so that's where I think

1102
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:48,000
you and I would have this kind of level

1103
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:49,800
three to discussion

1104
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:53,579
but I just don't think most people can

1105
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:57,119
can get there without a huge huge uh

1106
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:00,359
background that it it needs to be in

1107
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:03,060
some ways broader than where you're

1108
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:05,160
trying to go with the MK Ultra thing

1109
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,560
because what I always thought was a

1110
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:09,720
great discovery about UFO researcher

1111
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,060
Grant Cameron is when he talks about the

1112
00:47:17,809 --> 00:47:14,880
Wilbert Smith memo people are in UFO

1113
00:47:19,849 --> 00:47:17,819
know what it is but it's basically he

1114
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:19,859
writes this memory says

1115
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:23,400
bro it's going on it is the most top

1116
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:25,740
secret thing and there's a mental

1117
00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:28,619
phenomenon associated with it which is

1118
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:32,700
the key word I think that that is

1119
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:36,359
fundamental to their interest in puharic

1120
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,480
their interest in MK Ultra their

1121
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:42,480
interest in Project Stargate and remote

1122
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:43,619
viewing

1123
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:46,200
it's at some level that isn't exposed to

1124
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:47,880
us because this is how the military does

1125
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,839
things in Secrets things no one it's

1126
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:53,520
compartmentalized so no one knows that

1127
00:47:58,190 --> 00:47:56,460
that is the agenda but they kind of are

1128
00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:58,200
stumbling through this and they know

1129
00:48:03,170 --> 00:48:00,780
that something's up with

1130
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,180
ET and the mental aspect of it so you

1131
00:48:07,069 --> 00:48:05,040
got all this stuff popping up over here

1132
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:07,079
and that's part of the reason and the

1133
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:09,720
reason I don't think it's about like

1134
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:12,839
literally turning it on and off that

1135
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:15,720
would be like 0.1 out of a hundred

1136
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,640
things that you'd want to know about

1137
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:20,160
this extended Consciousness realm and

1138
00:48:27,050 --> 00:48:23,400
how it fits with E.T yeah I think that

1139
00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:27,060
that that's a good segue to

1140
00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:30,599
again to what we see going on today how

1141
00:48:37,849 --> 00:48:32,339
this

1142
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,859
you know disclosure

1143
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:40,079
something from the you know stemming

1144
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:42,599
from the December or 17 uh New York

1145
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:45,960
Times uh 2017 New York Times article uh

1146
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:47,880
like blowing auras and black money by

1147
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:51,240
Leslie Keane and Ralph Blumenthal

1148
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,380
people

1149
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:55,440
have that are are probably not aware I

1150
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:58,260
tend to say forgotten because I'm maybe

1151
00:49:03,710 --> 00:49:01,079
showing my age there a little bit they

1152
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:03,720
have are unaware that this is a yet

1153
00:49:07,609 --> 00:49:05,460
again simply

1154
00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:07,619
a repetitive pattern

1155
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,180
and

1156
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:12,240
going back to

1157
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:17,160
the 19 uh what in 1949 there was uh

1158
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:18,780
there were articles in the Saturday

1159
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:21,680
evening post written by Sydney Charlotte

1160
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:26,160
then we had in 1951 we had the life

1161
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:28,740
article by Bob Gina have we visited her

1162
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:30,300
some space

1163
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:34,200
and we had Donald Kehoe doing his his

1164
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:37,319
articles for True magazine

1165
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:39,780
and all of these

1166
00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:41,880
effectively were saying

1167
00:49:47,809 --> 00:49:44,520
the government is withholding evidence

1168
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:47,819
of extraterrestrials

1169
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:51,240
but then we come to find out through

1170
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:53,400
through Edward rupelt the head of

1171
00:49:57,890 --> 00:49:54,839
Project Blue Book

1172
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,900
in his book that all of these articles

1173
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,720
were inspired by the military

1174
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:03,440
the Department of Defense

1175
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,740
selected their reporters they wanted to

1176
00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:09,359
convey these messages

1177
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:10,680
why

1178
00:50:19,069 --> 00:50:17,040
the idea that they're hiding something

1179
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:19,079
into the public Consciousness and I

1180
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:20,940
think

1181
00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:23,880
as a the component the important part of

1182
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:26,819
that was they were introducing this

1183
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,760
again binary choice of either that

1184
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:32,640
doesn't exist or it's extraterrestrials

1185
00:50:35,890 --> 00:50:34,140
involved

1186
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:35,900
they have

1187
00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:38,460
indoctrinated us into viewing this

1188
00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:43,619
phenomenon as objects in the sky that

1189
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:46,460
are coming from a distant place

1190
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:49,859
not that this is something that may

1191
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:53,520
reside within our realm all around us

1192
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,640
and it interacts with us directly

1193
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:58,800
it's and ours it's it's two completely

1194
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,300
different things when they were aware of

1195
00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:02,400
this from the very beginning almost very

1196
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:03,420
beginning

1197
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:06,420
are you against the idea that there are

1198
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:08,460
objects from other planets that are

1199
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:11,760
flying here and have intelligent beings

1200
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:15,540
inside of their are you willing to

1201
00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:19,380
entertain the idea that that is an

1202
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:21,780
aspect of this phenomenon and it's real

1203
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:24,059
in the sense that in the same way we

1204
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:26,460
think stealth bombers are real that

1205
00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:27,960
that's real

1206
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,559
okay that's that that's a rather complex

1207
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:34,079
question or should I say requires a

1208
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:35,819
rather complex

1209
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:42,410
and I'll preface it by saying even the

1210
00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:46,260
most unlikely explanation has as much

1211
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:48,420
validity as any other in ours it could

1212
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,960
be the most unlikely thing that could be

1213
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:54,000
behind this and it doesn't mean it's not

1214
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,500
that right but

1215
00:52:01,849 --> 00:51:57,900
I personally believe just looking at

1216
00:52:04,609 --> 00:52:01,859
this analytically I I tried to

1217
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,619
consider all the options as many options

1218
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:06,720
as I'm aware of right

1219
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:10,500
and I think it's unlike

1220
00:52:18,589 --> 00:52:15,049
physical

1221
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:18,599
extraterrestrial beings are traveling as

1222
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:21,960
in moving from one place to another here

1223
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:24,839
in in craft

1224
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,660
I think and and the reason I say I get

1225
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:29,520
there's this is a really complicated

1226
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,800
explanation but I think first we have to

1227
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:34,079
understand it

1228
00:52:40,690 --> 00:52:37,440
as human beings as Homo sapiens we have

1229
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,700
this tendency to view

1230
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:42,480
intelligence

1231
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:45,180
on us on a scale let's call this a one

1232
00:52:48,589 --> 00:52:46,500
to ten scale

1233
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:48,599
and we view ourselves like we're so

1234
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:51,180
smart you know we're an eight on this

1235
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,800
one to ten scale and these

1236
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,240
extraterrestrials have been around a lot

1237
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,920
longer than us so they're they're

1238
00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:58,079
probably at 10 you know but but we can

1239
00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:00,359
get there there what they know we're

1240
00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:02,040
capable of understanding we just haven't

1241
00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:04,380
quite gotten it yet when the reality is

1242
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:07,079
we could uh following that same scale we

1243
00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:09,059
could be an eight and they could be a

1244
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:11,220
billion in other words they could be so

1245
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:13,380
far more advanced that we're incapable

1246
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:16,920
of even perceiving them we couldn't and

1247
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:19,020
where's we may live within a reality

1248
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:23,040
that is a make a piece of a much grander

1249
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,420
mechanism that we're incapable of

1250
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:27,359
comprehending right so following on that

1251
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:31,740
I think that only the most basic of an

1252
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:33,780
extraterrestrial intelligences would be

1253
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:36,180
traveling in the meat by means of

1254
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,059
mechanical devices the way we as human

1255
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:41,760
beings travel by mechanical devices

1256
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:44,339
I believe that it is based on the

1257
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:45,720
evidence

1258
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:51,839
suggestive as Ben rich said

1259
00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:55,740
if you're using ESP if we know that from

1260
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,859
the ndes and remote viewing entering

1261
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,960
that we are capable of

1262
00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:03,359
separating our Consciousness from our

1263
00:54:09,710 --> 00:54:06,020
physical body

1264
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:09,720
that is very possible that that form of

1265
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:13,079
Technology if they want our ability is

1266
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,980
more likely to be a means of exploring

1267
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:19,440
vast distances instantaneously or

1268
00:54:25,970 --> 00:54:20,940
anything rather than through mechanical

1269
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:27,589
I don't know if that's that I know

1270
00:54:31,549 --> 00:54:29,280
that's a really complicated explanation

1271
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,559
but it's complicated I just think it's

1272
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:33,839
it's I'm gonna push it I think it's

1273
00:54:38,569 --> 00:54:36,540
inadequate if we want to go down the

1274
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:38,579
simulation hypothesis

1275
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,920
Theory we can do that you know we're

1276
00:54:45,470 --> 00:54:42,960
living in a simulation everything's a

1277
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:45,480
simulation but there's no there there in

1278
00:54:49,930 --> 00:54:47,460
terms of having any kind of discussion I

1279
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:49,940
think the same is true in terms of like

1280
00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:54,540
if the stealth bomber which was hidden

1281
00:54:58,670 --> 00:54:56,520
from us and now isn't hidden from us and

1282
00:55:00,349 --> 00:54:58,680
we think we know it and we can point to

1283
00:55:02,290 --> 00:55:00,359
it when it's on the field at the air

1284
00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:02,300
show and say that it does those things

1285
00:55:09,290 --> 00:55:06,119
if we're saying that's the same as this

1286
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:09,300
guy my new favorite guy Gary Hazeltine

1287
00:55:14,809 --> 00:55:12,180
and he's a retired detective constables

1288
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:14,819
what they call it in Britain and he

1289
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,619
started this thing called the police

1290
00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:19,440
reporting UFO sightings and then he just

1291
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,540
published this book that is

1292
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:24,000
pretty incredible book about

1293
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:27,300
rendersham Forest right and he did these

1294
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,800
extensive interviews I was telling you

1295
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:29,760
about you know he's over there in

1296
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:31,020
Britain he's calling over talking to

1297
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,420
these army guys who are on the base in

1298
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:36,240
1980 when brendelstrom happened and

1299
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:39,300
they're telling them like all this new

1300
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:42,420
information that completely confirms all

1301
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:43,980
the old information we know about

1302
00:55:49,609 --> 00:55:46,800
randallship is that it happened and

1303
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,619
there was a craft and it cut through the

1304
00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:52,319
trees and you can see where the trees

1305
00:55:57,170 --> 00:55:54,660
were cut in half and you can see the

1306
00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:57,180
marks uh the trace marks on the end and

1307
00:56:01,609 --> 00:55:58,859
then you've got another guy who says

1308
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:01,619
yeah the bunch of people simultaneously

1309
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,319
reported that they flew over the nuclear

1310
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:06,960
weapons that were secretly there that no

1311
00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:09,420
one knew about and they deactivated them

1312
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:11,940
and then they reactivated them and it

1313
00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:14,520
totally confirms with what Robert

1314
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:16,859
Hastings reported on for 40 years of

1315
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:19,800
interactions we've had with E.T that's

1316
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:23,280
done this so my point is I don't know

1317
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,040
how you thread that Marty and maybe

1318
00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:28,079
you'll tell me I don't know how you say

1319
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:32,460
okay well that's real but then somehow

1320
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,220
in some way it's not real unless you

1321
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:38,640
want to go full bore simulation nothing

1322
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:40,680
can be really counted on we don't even

1323
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:43,260
know if we're here or if we exist or if

1324
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:44,940
it's all a time slip or all the rest of

1325
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:47,520
that I know no no I'm not I'm not

1326
00:56:53,089 --> 00:56:49,980
talking about simulation Theory

1327
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:53,099
in other words we have to think big like

1328
00:56:57,230 --> 00:56:55,800
what are the what capabilities

1329
00:57:05,150 --> 00:56:57,240
could

1330
00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:05,160
in other words the at one time the idea

1331
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:08,579
of being able to send a fax to the other

1332
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,680
side of the world would have been

1333
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:12,720
science fiction

1334
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,500
the idea that you could send a file that

1335
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,240
could be printed out in

1336
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:19,920
three-dimensional on a three-dimensional

1337
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,660
printer on the other side of the planet

1338
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:24,000
would be far outside the realm of

1339
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:28,319
reality not that long ago

1340
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:31,440
so let me give some examples

1341
00:57:36,829 --> 00:57:34,740
I absolutely the rendersham forest craft

1342
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:36,839
was real what it was exactly we don't

1343
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:39,180
know but that it was a physical reality

1344
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:42,480
I would I would not I would not argue

1345
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:44,280
against that in other words

1346
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:46,920
Burrows and those involved they

1347
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,440
physically touched it it was there what

1348
00:57:54,410 --> 00:57:51,839
it was could be debated but there are

1349
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:54,420
many interesting aspects to that the the

1350
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,079
uh the binary code thing that was

1351
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:01,200
supposedly transmitted that's part of

1352
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,859
this Consciousness thing right but to

1353
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,480
give an example of

1354
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:08,640
how just because you're seeing a

1355
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:09,540
physical

1356
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,700
triangular craft doesn't necessarily

1357
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,680
mean that it traveled here from another

1358
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:15,200
planet

1359
00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:19,740
in 1211 in uh Gervais of Tilbury tells

1360
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:21,900
the story and we this is in wonders in

1361
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:25,920
ballets wonders in the sky uh a ship

1362
00:58:31,849 --> 00:58:28,260
a cloud ship

1363
00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:31,859
uh has its anchor lodged in in stones

1364
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:34,500
and a church full people ran out

1365
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:39,000
and saw uh an entity come down the Rope

1366
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,180
trying to dislodge the anchor and he's

1367
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,880
captured and he subsequently died and

1368
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:47,040
was given a Christian burial

1369
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:51,780
then in 1250 in in Ireland

1370
00:58:57,289 --> 00:58:55,140
another cloud ship has an anchor that

1371
00:58:59,690 --> 00:58:57,299
hooks on an arch of a church

1372
00:59:01,490 --> 00:58:59,700
and a bean comes down the rope and cuts

1373
00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:01,500
it and they keep the anchor and the

1374
00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:04,140
anchor is on display to commemorate the

1375
00:59:09,230 --> 00:59:05,940
event in the church

1376
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:09,240
there there was one in Texas there was

1377
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:12,480
one in London England these things

1378
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,440
you know by the records have happened

1379
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:19,200
so if we're going to take

1380
00:59:25,809 --> 00:59:22,319
the rendelshim craft as a literal

1381
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:25,819
triangular craft from an extra a

1382
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:28,440
extraterrestrial Planet somewhere in the

1383
00:59:34,490 --> 00:59:30,839
universe are we suggesting also that

1384
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:34,500
these were sailing ships with masks and

1385
00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:37,140
and you know all this coming here and

1386
00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:39,240
using anchors and everything or we're

1387
00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:41,460
taking it at face value that way and I

1388
00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:43,559
don't think we should be taking it at

1389
00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:45,660
face value that's the phenomenon is far

1390
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:48,599
stranger than that when we really start

1391
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:50,940
getting into it and with you right up to

1392
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:52,859
the end then you say it's far Stranger

1393
00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:55,680
Than well we don't we don't know that

1394
01:00:02,270 --> 00:59:58,440
because we don't know what the problem

1395
01:00:05,170 --> 01:00:02,280
with saying the phenomenon and being

1396
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,180
inclusive of a lot of different things

1397
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:08,160
we don't know the things that constitute

1398
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:10,920
the things we're talking about so you

1399
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:12,900
know it could be and I know you're not

1400
01:00:18,049 --> 01:00:16,079
against this this is more a methodology

1401
01:00:20,930 --> 01:00:18,059
what we're exploring is the methodology

1402
01:00:24,049 --> 01:00:20,940
for how to to sift through this stuff

1403
01:00:28,030 --> 01:00:24,059
and I would suggest that UFOs from

1404
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,040
another planet inhabited by intelligent

1405
01:00:34,730 --> 01:00:31,200
operators of those craft

1406
01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:34,740
should be on the table because it's kind

1407
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:37,079
of a parsimony thing it's kind of an

1408
01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:39,720
Occam's razor thing Randalls from forest

1409
01:00:43,370 --> 01:00:41,220
does not fit with what you're saying

1410
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,380
because it's 1980 we did not have

1411
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,599
advanced technology as I you know you

1412
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:48,000
know the definitive book on monster

1413
01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:51,480
trucks and a monster truck technology we

1414
01:00:55,609 --> 01:00:53,579
should point out and you get all this

1415
01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:55,619
praise for it because it's like the

1416
01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:57,540
definitive book if you want to go back

1417
01:01:02,270 --> 01:00:59,940
and understand how they made this

1418
01:01:03,890 --> 01:01:02,280
modification so it could do this trick

1419
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,900
and then how it made this modification

1420
01:01:08,569 --> 01:01:06,480
and who came up with it you trace that

1421
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:08,579
back that has a direct parallel with the

1422
01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:11,760
UFO thing right we cannot create that

1423
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:15,660
trail back from 1980 and show how that

1424
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:19,440
technology could possibly be okay but

1425
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:21,180
again

1426
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:24,240
you have to to view not just a certain

1427
01:01:30,589 --> 01:01:27,180
section of the wall we got to start also

1428
01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:30,599
considering similar similar events that

1429
01:01:35,770 --> 01:01:32,579
might be interpreted different ways like

1430
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:35,780
there are many instances where we have

1431
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,460
multiple Witnesses

1432
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:40,319
to an event

1433
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,140
who each described what they observed in

1434
01:01:46,910 --> 01:01:45,359
radically different ways and they're and

1435
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,920
we're not suggesting that these are not

1436
01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:48,960
actually physically there A lot of times

1437
01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:52,140
these things were tracked on radar but

1438
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,839
there could be more than one thing going

1439
01:01:59,450 --> 01:01:57,119
on there in terms of our ability to

1440
01:02:02,210 --> 01:01:59,460
perceive what is actually

1441
01:02:05,329 --> 01:02:02,220
being represented there as well as

1442
01:02:06,829 --> 01:02:05,339
active manipulation of our perception to

1443
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:06,839
where we perceive it in a certain way

1444
01:02:11,230 --> 01:02:09,000
each person kind of perceives it within

1445
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:11,240
their

1446
01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:14,880
realm of understanding possibly notice

1447
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:18,020
we have the opposite in this case

1448
01:02:24,109 --> 01:02:20,760
someone who talks to says this says it's

1449
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,119
the same right but the Noel no not

1450
01:02:28,670 --> 01:02:26,400
exactly there are some discrepancies

1451
01:02:31,849 --> 01:02:28,680
between what some people describe in

1452
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:31,859
others the boroughs and peniston who

1453
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:35,220
actually were at the craft do more or

1454
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:39,240
less agree on what what they saw and but

1455
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:40,740
what and their experiences were a little

1456
01:02:44,750 --> 01:02:42,420
bit different they had Burrows had

1457
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:44,760
physical effects and the craft was there

1458
01:02:49,309 --> 01:02:47,220
and the and I'm not arguing that this

1459
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,319
was not necessarily human Tech in other

1460
01:02:53,150 --> 01:02:51,119
words and when we discussed this the

1461
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:53,160
other day like and because again I I

1462
01:02:56,329 --> 01:02:54,720
plug this into like a historical

1463
01:03:01,849 --> 01:02:56,339
framework and I go okay

1464
01:03:04,750 --> 01:03:01,859
in 1976 we had the Tehran Iran UFO that

1465
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:04,760
sat over the city Jets were were

1466
01:03:09,849 --> 01:03:07,440
dispatched to intercept the thing toyed

1467
01:03:12,410 --> 01:03:09,859
with them it locked their weapons it was

1468
01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:12,420
impervious to attack it sat there and

1469
01:03:16,970 --> 01:03:14,280
mocked them

1470
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:16,980
uh two years later or three years later

1471
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:20,880
we have the the Iran Iran hostage crisis

1472
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:24,720
and we can't do anything about we send

1473
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:27,900
operation Eagle Claw in 1990 and it

1474
01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:30,180
fails so we resort to Wiley Coyote

1475
01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:32,700
technology and strap Rockets to a C-130

1476
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:35,940
with a credible operation credible sport

1477
01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:38,880
in other words it it clearly it costs

1478
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:41,940
Carter his his uh you know re-election

1479
01:03:46,730 --> 01:03:43,380
chances

1480
01:03:48,589 --> 01:03:46,740
so clearly if we had the technology

1481
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:48,599
we knew where they were right we even

1482
01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:50,460
the remote viewers played a role in this

1483
01:03:54,410 --> 01:03:52,980
and we knew where that were the hostages

1484
01:03:56,450 --> 01:03:54,420
were being held but we didn't have the

1485
01:03:59,150 --> 01:03:56,460
ability to get them out right we did not

1486
01:04:01,010 --> 01:03:59,160
have the technology to do it so I think

1487
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:01,020
that that is a reasonable again

1488
01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:04,319
parsimonious way to look at this and go

1489
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:07,140
it seems unlikely that we had the

1490
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:09,599
technology that's being displayed by

1491
01:04:16,130 --> 01:04:12,720
crafts such as what we see in rentals

1492
01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:16,140
but again just because it's a physical

1493
01:04:23,630 --> 01:04:19,740
craft even let's let's agree that it's a

1494
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:23,640
triangular physical Craft on on tripod

1495
01:04:28,910 --> 01:04:25,380
legs that lands and leaves physical

1496
01:04:29,809 --> 01:04:28,920
Trace cases uh Trace uh evidence on the

1497
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:29,819
ground

1498
01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:31,740
you know we're I don't think you're

1499
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,200
quite understanding when I say that it

1500
01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:36,720
doesn't have to necessarily travel here

1501
01:04:41,329 --> 01:04:39,420
from a plan another planet for it to be

1502
01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:41,339
a physical representation here because

1503
01:04:45,410 --> 01:04:42,900
there are many ways this could be

1504
01:04:47,930 --> 01:04:45,420
achieved in other words theoretically we

1505
01:04:50,270 --> 01:04:47,940
may we can conceive of

1506
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,280
the ability to

1507
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:52,559
through various means

1508
01:04:58,809 --> 01:04:55,020
fabricate like manipulate it's almost

1509
01:05:02,870 --> 01:04:58,819
like alchemical an alchemical process to

1510
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:02,880
fabricate a physical object from eat

1511
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:05,760
from The Ether in a in a remote location

1512
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:07,380
so where we don't actually have to

1513
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,660
travel there we can send

1514
01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:12,000
effectively like the blueprints to a

1515
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:14,280
craft to a physical place we don't in

1516
01:05:19,309 --> 01:05:16,079
other words instantaneously rather than

1517
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:19,319
sending because we sometimes the idea of

1518
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,359
space travel is oversimplified like we

1519
01:05:26,990 --> 01:05:24,000
think that oh if we if we discover the

1520
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,000
ability to create anti-gravity or we

1521
01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:29,280
build more powerful Rockets all that's

1522
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,839
going to automatically grant us the

1523
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:32,400
ability to explore the universe like no

1524
01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:34,020
it's not that's only like the first

1525
01:05:38,329 --> 01:05:36,540
minute step in that we still have to

1526
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,339
solve communication problems control

1527
01:05:42,770 --> 01:05:40,559
problems navigational problems how do

1528
01:05:44,809 --> 01:05:42,780
you not hit the hit the go button and

1529
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,819
not instantaneously vaporize when you

1530
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,799
run into the next asteroid or plane in

1531
01:05:51,049 --> 01:05:48,240
other words there's all sorts of

1532
01:05:55,490 --> 01:05:51,059
problems we greatly oversimplify that

1533
01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:55,500
it seems to me that by using other means

1534
01:06:02,690 --> 01:05:58,020
of exploring the universe using

1535
01:06:04,130 --> 01:06:02,700
Next Level ideas not not just a

1536
01:06:07,569 --> 01:06:04,140
evolution

1537
01:06:10,430 --> 01:06:07,579
of our what we already know just

1538
01:06:12,349 --> 01:06:10,440
revolutionary ideas something far more

1539
01:06:14,569 --> 01:06:12,359
advanced than what we're capable of at

1540
01:06:17,329 --> 01:06:14,579
this point

1541
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:17,339
not and that's not count also look the

1542
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:19,920
other ability is potential is that this

1543
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,920
is coming from outside of our

1544
01:06:26,329 --> 01:06:24,720
three-dimensional or you know

1545
01:06:28,970 --> 01:06:26,339
four-dimensional if you include time

1546
01:06:33,230 --> 01:06:28,980
space that this might be something that

1547
01:06:36,289 --> 01:06:33,240
is we're sharing an environment with and

1548
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:36,299
it it has may have the ability to reach

1549
01:06:41,630 --> 01:06:39,480
into our reality or effectively flatten

1550
01:06:44,750 --> 01:06:41,640
create a flattened out object from its

1551
01:06:47,150 --> 01:06:44,760
perspective that can be in introduced

1552
01:06:49,250 --> 01:06:47,160
into our three-dimensional realm and out

1553
01:06:50,329 --> 01:06:49,260
in other words there are so many other

1554
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:50,339
ways

1555
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:52,380
that this could be achieved we can't

1556
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:54,420
just say oh it's it's a triangular craft

1557
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,799
it must have come from another planet

1558
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,599
it's I think it's a little bit more

1559
01:07:01,789 --> 01:06:59,760
complicated I think we've been entrained

1560
01:07:03,289 --> 01:07:01,799
to think that way uh simulation

1561
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,299
hypothesis why are you throwing that no

1562
01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:06,240
that's not that's not well wait see

1563
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,339
that's my point I just caught you right

1564
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,559
there right it's like no what we're what

1565
01:07:14,809 --> 01:07:12,960
we're trying to do and and this is the

1566
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:14,819
methodology that I think we're trying to

1567
01:07:19,549 --> 01:07:17,400
reveal is or we're trying to exercise

1568
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:19,559
between the two of us is how you would

1569
01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:21,420
go about that and I'm pushing back

1570
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,380
because I'm totally on board with your

1571
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:27,599
initial uh what you've painted in our

1572
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,200
head of the 3D diagram where you're

1573
01:07:35,089 --> 01:07:33,119
plotting all the things you know which

1574
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:35,099
is kind of like a Jacques filet kind of

1575
01:07:39,529 --> 01:07:37,260
thing which I won't play another clip

1576
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:39,539
but listen to what Jacqueline is saying

1577
01:07:46,609 --> 01:07:43,200
nowadays about government uh okay I

1578
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:46,619
can't resist playing I'm very hopeful I

1579
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:49,440
think it's a new phase I'm very grateful

1580
01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:53,520
to been here to see it and you know to

1581
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:57,180
be in reasonably good health to continue

1582
01:08:04,250 --> 01:08:00,960
my work and hopefully to exchange data

1583
01:08:07,130 --> 01:08:04,260
with uh you know if called upon with

1584
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:07,140
people who are running those those new

1585
01:08:14,329 --> 01:08:10,380
projects and uh as you know I've been

1586
01:08:16,729 --> 01:08:14,339
working with them all along and we know

1587
01:08:20,329 --> 01:08:16,739
each other and so on but the government

1588
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:20,339
has its own structure and its own need

1589
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,520
to do things in a certain way especially

1590
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:25,679
when you're talking about the Pentagon

1591
01:08:35,150 --> 01:08:30,480
so I'm it's it's a third phase you know

1592
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:35,160
I roughly you know it's not formal but I

1593
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:38,960
roughly organized the history into three

1594
01:08:50,890 --> 01:08:43,679
major phases you know from 1945

1595
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:50,900
to the content report we in in 67 68

1596
01:08:58,269 --> 01:08:54,960
we have uh mainly the Air Force taking

1597
01:09:01,490 --> 01:08:58,279
an interest in this the Air France was

1598
01:09:05,209 --> 01:09:01,500
charged with the responsibility to

1599
01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:05,219
follow the reports to gather them that

1600
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:07,319
they took reports from the public as

1601
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:10,560
well as reports from the old pilots of

1602
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:12,239
other branches of the government like

1603
01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:19,070
thanks for hanging with me I'm going to

1604
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:21,000
trim that down a little bit

1605
01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:23,460
but like we got to have this discussion

1606
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:25,739
already like only you and I can have

1607
01:09:30,110 --> 01:09:27,960
this discussion

1608
01:09:33,289 --> 01:09:30,120
what he's saying

1609
01:09:36,590 --> 01:09:33,299
completely contradicts where you had

1610
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:36,600
taken him with the phenomenon and you're

1611
01:09:40,970 --> 01:09:38,819
right he's wrong he's I don't know what

1612
01:09:43,729 --> 01:09:40,980
his game is I don't know why he's saying

1613
01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:43,739
you know three phases Condon report the

1614
01:09:47,930 --> 01:09:46,440
Condon report need we be remembered that

1615
01:09:50,990 --> 01:09:47,940
the content report is a disinformation

1616
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,000
campaign it came out and said hey we got

1617
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,279
it all covered guys there's nothing here

1618
01:09:56,810 --> 01:09:55,199
to look at and this goes back to the

1619
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:56,820
very first thing we had with Weinstein

1620
01:10:01,430 --> 01:10:00,000
not saying it's this or it's that or

1621
01:10:03,709 --> 01:10:01,440
like you said you know we'd have to

1622
01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:03,719
compare it with elves and ships that

1623
01:10:08,570 --> 01:10:06,300
leave anchors he no no he's saying no

1624
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,580
they got it completely wrapped up the

1625
01:10:12,050 --> 01:10:10,800
content report does they got the reports

1626
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:12,060
from the Navy guys and the Air Force

1627
01:10:16,810 --> 01:10:14,280
guys and this is what it is that is a

1628
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:16,820
direct contradiction to everything

1629
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,560
Jacque Valley has always been about he's

1630
01:10:23,390 --> 01:10:21,840
now saying trust the government trust

1631
01:10:24,890 --> 01:10:23,400
the government they'll tell us what we

1632
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:24,900
need to know when we need to know it

1633
01:10:29,810 --> 01:10:28,560
this is not your 3D diagram that you

1634
01:10:32,209 --> 01:10:29,820
were talking about that he was talking

1635
01:10:34,490 --> 01:10:32,219
about that says there's a lot of weird

1636
01:10:36,590 --> 01:10:34,500
stuff that we have to consider and some

1637
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:36,600
of it might fall into this category and

1638
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:38,520
some of it might look like what Alex is

1639
01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:41,760
talking about with these UFOs that fly

1640
01:10:46,610 --> 01:10:43,500
in from other stars that have been

1641
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,620
identified by ancient people for as long

1642
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:48,960
as we could and they said they came from

1643
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,300
that star system and by the way it's a

1644
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:53,280
twin star system and no one knows it's a

1645
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,960
twin star system until a hundred years

1646
01:10:59,630 --> 01:10:56,640
later and we get the telescope to say it

1647
01:11:02,930 --> 01:10:59,640
to me all that's evidence that some of

1648
01:11:04,729 --> 01:11:02,940
that some of these cases are UFOs coming

1649
01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:04,739
from other planets and doing all that

1650
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:06,540
stuff but where the the next level

1651
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:09,000
conversation I have with you is I'm

1652
01:11:13,870 --> 01:11:10,860
totally down with what you're saying too

1653
01:11:16,669 --> 01:11:13,880
that is mixed up with interdimensional

1654
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:16,679
demonic all these other things that have

1655
01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:19,620
to be sorted out again in this diagram

1656
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,719
that you're drawing for us this where

1657
01:11:25,130 --> 01:11:23,280
you're charting it both on time and

1658
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:25,140
complexity and all the other scales you

1659
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:25,980
have

1660
01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:29,280
but that's for the average person to

1661
01:11:33,709 --> 01:11:31,380
listen to Jacques filet

1662
01:11:34,850 --> 01:11:33,719
they're not hearing what I'm hearing and

1663
01:11:36,830 --> 01:11:34,860
I don't know if you're hearing it are

1664
01:11:39,610 --> 01:11:36,840
you hearing what I'm hearing I mean

1665
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:39,620
I I I've listened to a lot of his

1666
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:42,960
interviews and I have come to recognize

1667
01:11:47,689 --> 01:11:44,100
that

1668
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:47,699
there are almost like two Jack ballets

1669
01:11:53,209 --> 01:11:51,360
his persona in his books

1670
01:11:54,530 --> 01:11:53,219
is completely different than in

1671
01:11:58,490 --> 01:11:54,540
interviews

1672
01:12:03,470 --> 01:11:58,500
he is always much more cautious

1673
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:03,480
and much more toting the party line the

1674
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,420
uh SRI party line when he's doing

1675
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:09,120
interviews he's very

1676
01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:11,820
for example in in that particular

1677
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:15,000
interview with Jeffrey mishlove he goes

1678
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:16,400
into

1679
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:23,820
discussing uh a document

1680
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,360
that he discovered in Jay Allen

1681
01:12:33,950 --> 01:12:30,000
heineck's files

1682
01:12:36,530 --> 01:12:33,960
but he doesn't really tell you what the

1683
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:36,540
document actually said he's saying I had

1684
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:38,520
concerns about this but he doesn't ever

1685
01:12:44,570 --> 01:12:41,280
say what his concerns were

1686
01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:44,580
or the Providence of that document

1687
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,440
and I can tell you what it was it was

1688
01:12:53,169 --> 01:12:48,239
the pentacle mammal

1689
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:53,179
written by Howard cross who was the head

1690
01:12:59,330 --> 01:12:57,120
of the shape Memory Metal program at

1691
01:13:02,030 --> 01:12:59,340
Bethel Memorial Institute

1692
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:02,040
where allegedly the debris from Roswell

1693
01:13:08,209 --> 01:13:03,600
ended up

1694
01:13:11,209 --> 01:13:08,219
and through that was the development of

1695
01:13:12,890 --> 01:13:11,219
shape memory metal known as night night

1696
01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:12,900
null

1697
01:13:18,850 --> 01:13:15,780
Elroy Center was a scientist a

1698
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:18,860
metallurgist that worked for under

1699
01:13:27,169 --> 01:13:24,300
cross at Bethel who before dying

1700
01:13:29,689 --> 01:13:27,179
claimed that he worked on a reverse

1701
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,699
engineering program at Bethel

1702
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,679
reverse engineering material from the

1703
01:13:35,090 --> 01:13:33,360
garage wall crash buddy how does this

1704
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:35,100
not contradict what you were just saying

1705
01:13:40,370 --> 01:13:38,280
about random again it it can be physical

1706
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:40,380
material I'm not arguing that it's

1707
01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:42,060
physical material it is physical

1708
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:45,300
material tangible physical material but

1709
01:13:51,709 --> 01:13:48,900
how it enters into our realm is where or

1710
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:51,719
where it originates from is where there

1711
01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:55,380
may be some it may not be cut as cut and

1712
01:14:01,070 --> 01:13:58,440
dry as flying from one maybe but can't

1713
01:14:03,649 --> 01:14:01,080
we put that can't we put that aside for

1714
01:14:06,530 --> 01:14:03,659
a second yeah and I mean there there are

1715
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:06,540
many that's why I say this is so complex

1716
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:09,960
to to try to just narrow it down to

1717
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,420
something really simple I don't think

1718
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:14,880
it's and where's like for example part

1719
01:14:21,649 --> 01:14:18,540
part of that Pinnacle memo was the the

1720
01:14:22,970 --> 01:14:21,659
what what concerned uh ballet about it

1721
01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:22,980
was that

1722
01:14:29,149 --> 01:14:26,580
this was a letter written to to try to

1723
01:14:32,270 --> 01:14:29,159
stop the Robertson panel from occurring

1724
01:14:34,430 --> 01:14:32,280
he didn't want the Robertson panel to

1725
01:14:36,410 --> 01:14:34,440
meet the CIA for those who don't know it

1726
01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:36,420
was a panel that the CIA convened in

1727
01:14:43,250 --> 01:14:40,920
1953 uh 52 that was looking into the UFO

1728
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:43,260
UFO phenomena we're looking into it I

1729
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,120
mean what were they really doing well

1730
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:47,520
they were establishing policies to

1731
01:14:52,370 --> 01:14:50,159
discredit Witnesses and infiltrate all

1732
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:52,380
the UFO organizations all right that's

1733
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:54,540
what resulted from it but the reason

1734
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,120
that but that that cross was trying to

1735
01:15:01,970 --> 01:15:00,000
stop this was because he was in the

1736
01:15:03,950 --> 01:15:01,980
midst of their own project store their

1737
01:15:05,930 --> 01:15:03,960
own investigation and they hadn't

1738
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:05,940
reached any conclusions yet we didn't

1739
01:15:09,410 --> 01:15:07,920
come to find this out for a very long

1740
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:09,420
time afterwards but they're the ones

1741
01:15:14,689 --> 01:15:11,880
that prepared Blue Book Special Report

1742
01:15:17,149 --> 01:15:14,699
number 14 where 23 percent of the

1743
01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:17,159
sightings were unexplainable and that's

1744
01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:18,840
a whole other conversation that ties

1745
01:15:24,350 --> 01:15:22,140
into the the the current Congressional

1746
01:15:27,890 --> 01:15:24,360
hearing stuff of how that was really a

1747
01:15:29,689 --> 01:15:27,900
complete rehash of that you know but we

1748
01:15:31,790 --> 01:15:29,699
also come to find out that there were

1749
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:31,800
programs during World War II that were

1750
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,500
already researching The Foo Fighter

1751
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:36,239
phenomenon or anything it was there this

1752
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,199
has been

1753
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:39,840
this there's a long dark unknown history

1754
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:42,420
to this that you know the idea that the

1755
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:44,760
UFO phenomenon started in 2004 with the

1756
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:47,340
Nimitz cases ridiculous and that's this

1757
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:49,560
narrative that we're being entrained to

1758
01:15:56,689 --> 01:15:54,300
to fall for and and to me it's it's it's

1759
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,699
I I believe that it could be a red

1760
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,560
herring they're trying to get us all

1761
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,960
completely vested in the Nimitz Tic Tac

1762
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:03,120
thing to then all of a sudden pull a rug

1763
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:05,100
out from under us and say okay it really

1764
01:16:08,750 --> 01:16:06,840
is Lockheed developed a secret

1765
01:16:14,990 --> 01:16:08,760
technology that we've been withholding

1766
01:16:18,010 --> 01:16:17,330
you're all

1767
01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:18,020
oh

1768
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:20,820
pull you in because you are not all over

1769
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:23,040
the board you were just we're having

1770
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:24,540
this conversation that is this level

1771
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,060
three conversation and it drives people

1772
01:16:32,510 --> 01:16:29,520
nuts and I want it to kind of uh not

1773
01:16:34,669 --> 01:16:32,520
right well it is but like here's the

1774
01:16:36,410 --> 01:16:34,679
thing that I'm trying to uh pull out and

1775
01:16:39,169 --> 01:16:36,420
I love this because

1776
01:16:39,890 --> 01:16:39,179
as I offered up at the beginning you

1777
01:16:41,630 --> 01:16:39,900
know

1778
01:16:43,970 --> 01:16:41,640
think about it who else is going to have

1779
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,980
this kind of conversation with you who's

1780
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:45,840
going to be able to pull in all those

1781
01:16:49,550 --> 01:16:48,120
different things I just don't see it and

1782
01:16:51,770 --> 01:16:49,560
what I'm kind of pointing out with these

1783
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:51,780
clips which I think is I I hope people

1784
01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:54,000
appreciate that it's like you can't get

1785
01:16:57,770 --> 01:16:55,500
it from Jacques Valley

1786
01:16:59,390 --> 01:16:57,780
I mean you should be able to he's a

1787
01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:59,400
freaking genius and he's been in this

1788
01:17:03,229 --> 01:17:01,500
thing forever and he knows

1789
01:17:05,450 --> 01:17:03,239
ten times more than you and I have

1790
01:17:08,209 --> 01:17:05,460
forgotten right but he ain't going to

1791
01:17:10,490 --> 01:17:08,219
give it to you straight he can't read

1792
01:17:13,970 --> 01:17:10,500
his books and you'll get more and for

1793
01:17:16,250 --> 01:17:13,980
much better maybe you will I don't know

1794
01:17:18,350 --> 01:17:16,260
about you but I don't like people when

1795
01:17:20,570 --> 01:17:18,360
you say read my book but when you talk

1796
01:17:22,669 --> 01:17:20,580
to me I say something else and it I

1797
01:17:25,250 --> 01:17:22,679
don't be I'm not that way you're not

1798
01:17:27,290 --> 01:17:25,260
that way you don't I don't find you know

1799
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:27,300
other things that you've written that

1800
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:29,400
you know I can't pin you down and say

1801
01:17:34,370 --> 01:17:31,920
how come this doesn't match this and and

1802
01:17:35,870 --> 01:17:34,380
do you give me a straight answer so and

1803
01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:35,880
that's what I'm saying like that's when

1804
01:17:39,050 --> 01:17:37,860
we started off this thing with Joe Rogan

1805
01:17:41,090 --> 01:17:39,060
if we didn't even get in the Joe Rogan

1806
01:17:43,490 --> 01:17:41,100
the Bob Lazar thing it's like you know

1807
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:43,500
why are you duped why are you so easily

1808
01:17:48,410 --> 01:17:45,780
duped why was everyone so easily duped

1809
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,420
all of this is a part of this process of

1810
01:17:53,090 --> 01:17:50,640
finding out who we can trust and why we

1811
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:53,100
can trust them and that's why I do come

1812
01:17:58,130 --> 01:17:55,860
back to kind of the the rendelson forest

1813
01:18:00,649 --> 01:17:58,140
thing I think you're too quick to go

1814
01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:00,659
this level three thing where it's like

1815
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,260
hey maybe all this material is

1816
01:18:08,930 --> 01:18:06,719
manifesting in a way that is beyond what

1817
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,940
we understand because fundamentally

1818
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:11,280
Consciousness is

1819
01:18:15,950 --> 01:18:13,500
fundamental and all material comes out

1820
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:15,960
of that hey great but as the

1821
01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:18,000
conversation we're having over zoomed

1822
01:18:23,149 --> 01:18:20,580
into this electromagnetic field that

1823
01:18:25,070 --> 01:18:23,159
we're in that would be so far out of it

1824
01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:25,080
that don't we need to kind of put some

1825
01:18:29,930 --> 01:18:27,480
barriers down and say okay all that's

1826
01:18:32,209 --> 01:18:29,940
possible we don't know and the ship with

1827
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,219
the anchor may be possible and the

1828
01:18:38,450 --> 01:18:34,800
demonic stuff definitely may be possible

1829
01:18:40,910 --> 01:18:38,460
but let's narrow our Focus here and say

1830
01:18:42,649 --> 01:18:40,920
this seems to be going on because one of

1831
01:18:45,229 --> 01:18:42,659
my frustrations and it's a frustration I

1832
01:18:47,930 --> 01:18:45,239
I have with Brothers of the serpent but

1833
01:18:50,030 --> 01:18:47,940
it's really not uh Russ and Kyle it but

1834
01:18:53,689 --> 01:18:50,040
it's but it's like there's a ton of

1835
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:53,699
people that are really really quick to

1836
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:57,120
jump into the anything but a UFO kind of

1837
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,580
thing anything but that triangular

1838
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,400
shaped craft that crashed through those

1839
01:19:07,010 --> 01:19:04,560
crashed through the forest landed there

1840
01:19:09,050 --> 01:19:07,020
had a physical experience shined lights

1841
01:19:12,649 --> 01:19:09,060
three days in a row went over the

1842
01:19:15,169 --> 01:19:12,659
nuclear things anything but that has to

1843
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:15,179
be at play because it doesn't fit into

1844
01:19:20,330 --> 01:19:17,580
my thing it's like uh you know when you

1845
01:19:23,330 --> 01:19:20,340
hear uh Randall Carlson right again

1846
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:23,340
genius love the guy love what he brings

1847
01:19:28,130 --> 01:19:25,320
the table but when he gets the UFO he's

1848
01:19:30,350 --> 01:19:28,140
like nah it's not it's not what you

1849
01:19:32,209 --> 01:19:30,360
think it's not what you think well if

1850
01:19:33,770 --> 01:19:32,219
it's not what you think that's fine but

1851
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:33,780
tell me what the [\h__\h] was in renderson

1852
01:19:39,229 --> 01:19:36,480
Forest because what you're not thinking

1853
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,239
your explanation for what it's not does

1854
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,480
not fit The observed thing that happened

1855
01:19:47,390 --> 01:19:44,159
there

1856
01:19:50,209 --> 01:19:47,400
well that sort of illustrates my

1857
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:50,219
hesitance to rely too much on like

1858
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,320
contemporary and I guess it's hard to

1859
01:19:57,290 --> 01:19:54,480
say that 80s is a contemporary for most

1860
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,300
people but for me but

1861
01:20:02,030 --> 01:19:59,760
when we get into the the more

1862
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:02,040
contemporary site like definitely by the

1863
01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:03,840
time we get into the Tic Tac stuff is

1864
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:07,020
that it is we don't have a clear picture

1865
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:10,640
of the technological

1866
01:20:16,729 --> 01:20:13,920
background to what we might be seeing in

1867
01:20:18,649 --> 01:20:16,739
other words technology tends to be at

1868
01:20:21,050 --> 01:20:18,659
least military technology tends to be 20

1869
01:20:24,410 --> 01:20:21,060
to 30 years in advance of public not

1870
01:20:26,930 --> 01:20:24,420
awareness but when we go back to the 80s

1871
01:20:29,330 --> 01:20:26,940
we have a decent idea of the things that

1872
01:20:32,209 --> 01:20:29,340
we're being worked on in the 60s and 70s

1873
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:32,219
but maybe not completely because

1874
01:20:37,490 --> 01:20:34,800
but for example I mean the SR-71 being

1875
01:20:39,290 --> 01:20:37,500
you know to this day still touted as

1876
01:20:41,570 --> 01:20:39,300
being the fastest air you know aircraft

1877
01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:41,580
ever built that and we know that thing

1878
01:20:46,250 --> 01:20:43,620
was built with slide rules we don't

1879
01:20:48,649 --> 01:20:46,260
really know what they were working on in

1880
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:48,659
the 70s and you know that thing was it

1881
01:20:54,530 --> 01:20:52,320
was uh retired in the in the 90s and we

1882
01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:54,540
you know there's no telling there's no

1883
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,300
telling what the true level of state of

1884
01:21:01,729 --> 01:20:59,520
the artist today but if you got to take

1885
01:21:03,709 --> 01:21:01,739
a stab at it no that that rendelson

1886
01:21:07,630 --> 01:21:03,719
Forest thing was not us and it wasn't

1887
01:21:10,729 --> 01:21:07,640
again it's unlikely because of again

1888
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,739
others other cases that we see well why

1889
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:12,960
wasn't this technology used here and I'm

1890
01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:16,320
very much uh aware of the silver bullet

1891
01:21:20,030 --> 01:21:18,360
theory where we have certain

1892
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,040
technologies that we hold in our back

1893
01:21:24,110 --> 01:21:21,840
pocket for when we need them but we

1894
01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:24,120
don't use them unless it's absolutely I

1895
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:26,460
think I would say that the Iran hostage

1896
01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:29,280
crisis was a pretty significant case

1897
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:31,980
incident where we were going to use

1898
01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:34,380
every tool in our disposal at our

1899
01:21:38,810 --> 01:21:36,360
disposal to to try to rescue those

1900
01:21:40,610 --> 01:21:38,820
people so if we had the ability to go in

1901
01:21:42,410 --> 01:21:40,620
there with anti-gravity craft or

1902
01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:42,420
whatever to extract those people I think

1903
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:44,760
we would have used it most likely so

1904
01:21:49,870 --> 01:21:47,280
again I don't believe that the your

1905
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:49,880
Anderson object was

1906
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:53,040
man-made I don't believe that but but

1907
01:21:58,130 --> 01:21:55,440
there are other reasons also that add to

1908
01:22:00,110 --> 01:21:58,140
why I don't believe that are you are you

1909
01:22:02,209 --> 01:22:00,120
familiar with and I I don't know a whole

1910
01:22:06,290 --> 01:22:02,219
lot about it I've read parts of the book

1911
01:22:08,630 --> 01:22:06,300
but the information transmission that uh

1912
01:22:11,890 --> 01:22:08,640
that Jim peniston received

1913
01:22:16,490 --> 01:22:14,630
I've seen images yeah you started

1914
01:22:18,290 --> 01:22:16,500
writing I mean it's very uh Close

1915
01:22:20,930 --> 01:22:18,300
Encounters that the Third Kind you know

1916
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:20,940
Spielberg thing where he's getting these

1917
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,260
messages and he's got to write them down

1918
01:22:26,450 --> 01:22:24,719
and he gets this binary code that he

1919
01:22:28,729 --> 01:22:26,460
didn't even recognize as being binary

1920
01:22:31,330 --> 01:22:28,739
why would you get binary code I mean

1921
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:31,340
it's another yeah

1922
01:22:36,530 --> 01:22:34,560
like craft with wings you know UFOs with

1923
01:22:38,510 --> 01:22:36,540
wings and like wings are human

1924
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:38,520
technology we need them to fly in our

1925
01:22:44,770 --> 01:22:41,940
atmosphere an alien that has developed

1926
01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:44,780
this anti-gravity technology or means to

1927
01:22:50,750 --> 01:22:49,020
somehow leap from one point in time and

1928
01:22:53,390 --> 01:22:50,760
space to another isn't going to need

1929
01:22:54,770 --> 01:22:53,400
Wings necessarily right that's our but

1930
01:22:58,930 --> 01:22:54,780
again these are

1931
01:23:02,030 --> 01:22:58,940
very possibly things that are

1932
01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:02,040
more a function of our perception they

1933
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:04,380
may not be exactly the way we perceive

1934
01:23:09,169 --> 01:23:07,679
them to be maybe in some cases though I

1935
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:09,179
think you come up down a little bit too

1936
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:11,880
strong on that as an explanation and

1937
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:15,060
it's explanatory power is very limited I

1938
01:23:20,270 --> 01:23:17,520
think that's my pushback I do is to say

1939
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:20,280
Hey you know it could be you know

1940
01:23:25,310 --> 01:23:23,040
deception well possibly I guess you know

1941
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:25,320
in part of my sensitivity in this is

1942
01:23:31,010 --> 01:23:29,040
because I I spent so much time with the

1943
01:23:32,450 --> 01:23:31,020
Consciousness thing and like the

1944
01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:32,460
near-death experience thing or The

1945
01:23:36,110 --> 01:23:34,260
Reincarnation science you know that's

1946
01:23:38,330 --> 01:23:36,120
come through and you're the same thing

1947
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:38,340
the way I always put it is burden proof

1948
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:41,040
is that that's all we're ever doing is

1949
01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:42,719
we're just shifting the burden of proof

1950
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:45,719
from one to another so like I'm saying

1951
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,060
that the renderson forest case to me

1952
01:23:53,930 --> 01:23:50,400
that kind of thing shifts the burden of

1953
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:53,940
proof if you want to say it's not as it

1954
01:23:58,669 --> 01:23:56,640
appears then that's fine but the burden

1955
01:24:02,630 --> 01:23:58,679
of proof is on you because for the rest

1956
01:24:05,149 --> 01:24:02,640
of us it looks like a freaking UFO from

1957
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,159
another planet who came down here and

1958
01:24:09,169 --> 01:24:07,440
did something with the nukes which I

1959
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,179
always remember this conversation I had

1960
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,760
by email with Robert Hastings there's a

1961
01:24:16,189 --> 01:24:13,199
fantastically interesting guy and did

1962
01:24:19,790 --> 01:24:16,199
all the research on the UFOs and nukes

1963
01:24:22,610 --> 01:24:19,800
thing and I said uh hey you know what do

1964
01:24:24,290 --> 01:24:22,620
you think is the agenda he goes I used

1965
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:24,300
to think that

1966
01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:26,880
et's trying to protect us he's trying to

1967
01:24:31,970 --> 01:24:29,580
send us a message you know don't destroy

1968
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:31,980
your planet guys you are the precious

1969
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:34,800
Gaia thing he does now I think it's more

1970
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,360
of a mutual interest kind of thing and

1971
01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:41,520
uh I thought I thought that was curious

1972
01:24:46,189 --> 01:24:43,380
but I'll stick with the burden of proof

1973
01:24:47,870 --> 01:24:46,199
is on someone to tell that story in a

1974
01:24:49,790 --> 01:24:47,880
different way and provide the same

1975
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:49,800
measure of evidence that Hazeltine is

1976
01:24:54,830 --> 01:24:52,320
providing yeah but the perception thing

1977
01:24:57,530 --> 01:24:54,840
is real I mean we can take even in case

1978
01:25:02,330 --> 01:24:57,540
for example like the Hudson Valley flap

1979
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,340
where we had well over 8 000 witnesses

1980
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,560
to this phenomenon this giant triangular

1981
01:25:09,229 --> 01:25:06,960
craft but there were cases there were

1982
01:25:11,689 --> 01:25:09,239
instances where we had simultaneous

1983
01:25:13,370 --> 01:25:11,699
Witnesses standing side by side looking

1984
01:25:14,510 --> 01:25:13,380
at the object describing it in different

1985
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,520
ways

1986
01:25:19,729 --> 01:25:17,040
and I'll go to one that an interview

1987
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:19,739
that you've conducted Ray Hernandez

1988
01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:22,320
Ray comes down into the living room and

1989
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:25,260
is there's this glowing object in his

1990
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:26,159
living room

1991
01:25:33,770 --> 01:25:30,239
and his wife sees an angel and he sees a

1992
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:33,780
U-shaped glowing object that somehow had

1993
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:36,000
an effect on him that made him think oh

1994
01:25:39,290 --> 01:25:38,100
that's [\h__\h] he turns around goes

1995
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,300
back to bed

1996
01:25:43,370 --> 01:25:41,280
and wakes up 30 minutes later goes what

1997
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,380
the hell was that and runs back down he

1998
01:25:48,590 --> 01:25:46,080
realizes so there's a lot going on there

1999
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:48,600
their perceptions were different somehow

2000
01:25:56,930 --> 01:25:52,800
or another it it affected his reason

2001
01:25:58,490 --> 01:25:56,940
in other words again and then subsequent

2002
01:26:00,590 --> 01:25:58,500
to that he's getting messages go outside

2003
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:00,600
and look and there's a craft over his

2004
01:26:07,070 --> 01:26:03,480
there's an interaction there

2005
01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:07,080
it's it's yours it's there's more going

2006
01:26:10,010 --> 01:26:08,760
on than just these things flying around

2007
01:26:12,530 --> 01:26:10,020
in the sky

2008
01:26:15,169 --> 01:26:12,540
granted but we have the same problem

2009
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:15,179
with near-death experience research and

2010
01:26:20,030 --> 01:26:17,400
I think this is a part that we've really

2011
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:20,040
connected and maybe we'll do another one

2012
01:26:22,910 --> 01:26:21,120
of these because we're kind of running

2013
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,920
out of time and we can get into that

2014
01:26:26,110 --> 01:26:24,719
spiritual Dimension because it's really

2015
01:26:28,370 --> 01:26:26,120
important it's

2016
01:26:31,070 --> 01:26:28,380
fundamentally important to factor into

2017
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,080
this even if we don't see it exactly the

2018
01:26:35,209 --> 01:26:33,120
same way it's the next conversation that

2019
01:26:39,050 --> 01:26:35,219
needs to happen needs to occur and

2020
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:39,060
that's that man this is the debunker

2021
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,040
approach to near-death experience

2022
01:26:45,890 --> 01:26:43,440
they'll say yeah but that guy saw Jesus

2023
01:26:47,930 --> 01:26:45,900
I mean in Jesus you know historical

2024
01:26:49,790 --> 01:26:47,940
Jesus isn't real for whatever reason

2025
01:26:52,729 --> 01:26:49,800
whatever or they'll they'll pick out

2026
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:52,739
some other part of these differences in

2027
01:26:57,649 --> 01:26:55,440
these accounts and what what this

2028
01:27:01,070 --> 01:26:57,659
relates back to something you said at

2029
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,080
the beginning patterns start to emerge

2030
01:27:06,050 --> 01:27:03,600
and those patterns are really what

2031
01:27:09,550 --> 01:27:06,060
scientists are all about scientists are

2032
01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:09,560
totally capable of kind of saying okay

2033
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:13,320
I'm going to filter out this part of the

2034
01:27:17,870 --> 01:27:15,600
observation and I'm going to focus on

2035
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:17,880
this part of it to get to that signal

2036
01:27:21,950 --> 01:27:20,159
noise thing and that's okay I can do

2037
01:27:23,689 --> 01:27:21,960
that that's a scientific way of doing

2038
01:27:25,729 --> 01:27:23,699
that that's where I think you wind up

2039
01:27:27,470 --> 01:27:25,739
with near-death experience at the end of

2040
01:27:29,149 --> 01:27:27,480
the day you go okay well this person

2041
01:27:30,890 --> 01:27:29,159
experience this this person experienced

2042
01:27:33,229 --> 01:27:30,900
this it's different but wait a minute

2043
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:33,239
what about these similarities what about

2044
01:27:37,250 --> 01:27:35,040
this ability to recall what about

2045
01:27:39,169 --> 01:27:37,260
bringing into a hospital and ask him to

2046
01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:39,179
recount their resuscitation and they're

2047
01:27:42,350 --> 01:27:40,679
able to do it in a statistically

2048
01:27:45,310 --> 01:27:42,360
significant way let's do the next one

2049
01:27:48,410 --> 01:27:45,320
let's do the next one there is a way to

2050
01:27:50,209 --> 01:27:48,420
identify these patterns let me ask you

2051
01:27:52,850 --> 01:27:50,219
this as we wrap it up

2052
01:27:56,169 --> 01:27:52,860
since that was your thing and I think

2053
01:27:59,870 --> 01:27:56,179
it's it's it's a very insightful Point

2054
01:28:02,209 --> 01:27:59,880
Marty what are the patterns that you do

2055
01:28:03,530 --> 01:28:02,219
see more in terms of trying to tie this

2056
01:28:05,930 --> 01:28:03,540
thing down

2057
01:28:07,490 --> 01:28:05,940
well one one thing and I know that

2058
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:07,500
because this is this is your wheelhouse

2059
01:28:13,790 --> 01:28:10,800
so I'm going to mention this and I think

2060
01:28:16,729 --> 01:28:13,800
that this is important and yeah this is

2061
01:28:18,649 --> 01:28:16,739
this you're I'm trying to distill like a

2062
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:18,659
lot of information down to something in

2063
01:28:22,850 --> 01:28:20,460
just a few words which is really hard

2064
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:22,860
for me um tend to over explain things

2065
01:28:25,970 --> 01:28:23,840
but

2066
01:28:29,330 --> 01:28:25,980
trying to

2067
01:28:34,090 --> 01:28:29,340
to view this phenomenon

2068
01:28:37,610 --> 01:28:34,100
by ignoring or or filtering out certain

2069
01:28:40,610 --> 01:28:37,620
certain part aspects of it is sort of

2070
01:28:42,050 --> 01:28:40,620
like you're trying to to study music

2071
01:28:44,330 --> 01:28:42,060
theory and you're trying to learn

2072
01:28:46,970 --> 01:28:44,340
everything about music theory

2073
01:28:48,530 --> 01:28:46,980
strictly listening to hip-hop

2074
01:28:52,129 --> 01:28:48,540
you can't

2075
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:52,139
truly have an understanding if by by

2076
01:28:56,030 --> 01:28:54,960
exception you can't in other words the

2077
01:29:00,110 --> 01:28:56,040
the

2078
01:29:02,810 --> 01:29:00,120
heinek made was that he came to

2079
01:29:05,149 --> 01:29:02,820
recognize once he jumped

2080
01:29:06,590 --> 01:29:05,159
jumped ship and actually started

2081
01:29:08,330 --> 01:29:06,600
believing that there really was

2082
01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:08,340
something to this he very quickly

2083
01:29:13,790 --> 01:29:11,100
realized that the high what he referred

2084
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:13,800
to as the high strangeness cases or

2085
01:29:21,290 --> 01:29:17,520
being filtered out and that that might

2086
01:29:23,149 --> 01:29:21,300
be more there might be more to learn

2087
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,159
about the phenomena from the high

2088
01:29:28,669 --> 01:29:25,920
strategist cases than from the lights in

2089
01:29:30,169 --> 01:29:28,679
the sky type observations

2090
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:30,179
so

2091
01:29:37,010 --> 01:29:32,100
having said that

2092
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:37,020
I think that when you look at encounters

2093
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:41,120
such as that of uh why like Juan Perez

2094
01:29:47,470 --> 01:29:43,920
and that you'll start to see this

2095
01:29:50,930 --> 01:29:47,480
overlap with this

2096
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:50,940
nde Consciousness Realm

2097
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:52,080
so

2098
01:29:57,890 --> 01:29:55,199
I won't I would not discount the

2099
01:30:00,010 --> 01:29:57,900
possibility that

2100
01:30:03,229 --> 01:30:00,020
that the phenomenon

2101
01:30:04,610 --> 01:30:03,239
originates on a plane

2102
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,620
where

2103
01:30:11,149 --> 01:30:06,960
Consciousness resides

2104
01:30:14,090 --> 01:30:11,159
or where Consciousness can

2105
01:30:16,970 --> 01:30:14,100
travel to or this other plane that it

2106
01:30:19,310 --> 01:30:16,980
could because and and do you know a lot

2107
01:30:22,610 --> 01:30:19,320
of these stories that I'm I'm trying to

2108
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:22,620
not bring up but things like the

2109
01:30:27,290 --> 01:30:25,920
experiences uh Joe mcmonagle has had

2110
01:30:29,689 --> 01:30:27,300
experiences with this in other words

2111
01:30:31,790 --> 01:30:29,699
there's a lot of overlap there and we

2112
01:30:34,010 --> 01:30:31,800
can't simply ignore that there's this

2113
01:30:35,570 --> 01:30:34,020
overlap may be telling us more than

2114
01:30:36,890 --> 01:30:35,580
focusing on oh there was a triangular

2115
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:36,900
ship what can we learn from the strange

2116
01:30:38,990 --> 01:30:37,920
like that's not going to tell you

2117
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:39,000
anything

2118
01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:41,040
we need to understand where this is

2119
01:30:44,750 --> 01:30:42,239
coming from

2120
01:30:46,370 --> 01:30:44,760
see what we're gonna we're gonna tip our

2121
01:30:48,290 --> 01:30:46,380
hand maybe we should we're gonna preview

2122
01:30:50,110 --> 01:30:48,300
this next conversation about the

2123
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:50,120
spiritual because I think it's

2124
01:30:54,830 --> 01:30:52,560
problematic in the same way that we're

2125
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:54,840
talking about here and that's that

2126
01:30:59,570 --> 01:30:56,880
ultimately the question of near-death

2127
01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:59,580
experience in my opinion comes down to

2128
01:31:05,090 --> 01:31:01,920
the question of the moral imperative is

2129
01:31:06,890 --> 01:31:05,100
there right and wrong is there good is

2130
01:31:08,990 --> 01:31:06,900
there God you know we're afraid to say

2131
01:31:11,930 --> 01:31:09,000
that but is there God and that's really

2132
01:31:16,010 --> 01:31:11,940
what we want to know we want to know is

2133
01:31:18,590 --> 01:31:16,020
our soul really with us are we carrying

2134
01:31:20,570 --> 01:31:18,600
it forward in this journey we're having

2135
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:20,580
as we've been told by so many different

2136
01:31:24,890 --> 01:31:21,840
traditions

2137
01:31:27,530 --> 01:31:24,900
I would say that overwhelmingly the data

2138
01:31:29,810 --> 01:31:27,540
collectively that's what the data comes

2139
01:31:31,129 --> 01:31:29,820
back and says and it's confirmed by the

2140
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:31,139
near-death experience science

2141
01:31:36,890 --> 01:31:34,080
objectively looking at it it's confirmed

2142
01:31:38,810 --> 01:31:36,900
by the shared death experience where

2143
01:31:40,850 --> 01:31:38,820
people don't even die but go along with

2144
01:31:43,370 --> 01:31:40,860
person who do die and come back and have

2145
01:31:44,990 --> 01:31:43,380
this it's The Reincarnation research

2146
01:31:46,850 --> 01:31:45,000
points that way the after death

2147
01:31:50,570 --> 01:31:46,860
communication research points that way

2148
01:31:52,669 --> 01:31:50,580
over and over again so to focus on the

2149
01:31:56,330 --> 01:31:52,679
deceptive element that are in these

2150
01:31:59,450 --> 01:31:56,340
Realms of Consciousness is to me a side

2151
01:32:01,550 --> 01:31:59,460
track kind of thing I always boil it

2152
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:01,560
down to this question does ET have an

2153
01:32:06,830 --> 01:32:04,560
nde and what that means to me is there

2154
01:32:08,450 --> 01:32:06,840
is this kind of Life review and the key

2155
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:08,460
thing about this Life review what people

2156
01:32:16,189 --> 01:32:12,000
say is I now realize I was not being

2157
01:32:17,330 --> 01:32:16,199
judged I was the judge my soul was the

2158
01:32:19,729 --> 01:32:17,340
judge

2159
01:32:23,870 --> 01:32:19,739
this whole question about ET can be

2160
01:32:28,610 --> 01:32:23,880
summed up if E.T is in that same mode if

2161
01:32:30,110 --> 01:32:28,620
E.T is going to have to judge their E.T

2162
01:32:32,090 --> 01:32:30,120
Soul Journey

2163
01:32:33,649 --> 01:32:32,100
then I'm cool with it everything can be

2164
01:32:38,570 --> 01:32:33,659
worked out all the questions we have

2165
01:32:41,390 --> 01:32:38,580
become simplified to a great degree if

2166
01:32:43,430 --> 01:32:41,400
not then I think we're in another thing

2167
01:32:47,090 --> 01:32:43,440
we're in simulation Theory or we're in

2168
01:32:50,030 --> 01:32:47,100
some kind of Gnostic battle between good

2169
01:32:53,390 --> 01:32:50,040
and evil and as Sammy Davis Jr said hey

2170
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:53,400
man Satan's just as powerful as God

2171
01:32:57,290 --> 01:32:55,199
Sammy the evidence doesn't point that

2172
01:33:01,669 --> 01:32:57,300
way but if you're right we got a

2173
01:33:05,390 --> 01:33:01,679
different game to kind of play out here

2174
01:33:08,030 --> 01:33:05,400
yeah absolutely that that see that I

2175
01:33:10,010 --> 01:33:08,040
think is is part of the problem that I'm

2176
01:33:12,050 --> 01:33:10,020
the heart that's at the heart of the

2177
01:33:15,709 --> 01:33:12,060
matter that I'm trying to get at when

2178
01:33:18,010 --> 01:33:15,719
you discount that when you start to to

2179
01:33:21,050 --> 01:33:18,020
Discount the

2180
01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:21,060
the interaction with

2181
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:26,340
with past relatives and and the personal

2182
01:33:34,430 --> 01:33:30,560
connection that some sometimes occurs

2183
01:33:37,850 --> 01:33:34,440
during these alien encounters

2184
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:37,860
and the messaging and the things that

2185
01:33:44,570 --> 01:33:41,040
they're completely in line with these

2186
01:33:47,330 --> 01:33:44,580
nde experiences and these remote viewing

2187
01:33:50,530 --> 01:33:47,340
experiences and all you know obes all

2188
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:50,540
these things there there's

2189
01:33:58,729 --> 01:33:55,440
appears to be consistency in this and

2190
01:34:02,090 --> 01:33:58,739
I don't think it serves us well to

2191
01:34:04,850 --> 01:34:02,100
to segregate them and say okay this is

2192
01:34:07,129 --> 01:34:04,860
this and this is this and when they act

2193
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:07,139
the same they they appear to you know

2194
01:34:11,330 --> 01:34:09,120
you know this like

2195
01:34:13,850 --> 01:34:11,340
Joe mcmonagle having a conversation

2196
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:13,860
because very often just to get maybe

2197
01:34:20,290 --> 01:34:15,600
some they're not aware of this but very

2198
01:34:24,649 --> 01:34:20,300
often the the you know OB or the nde

2199
01:34:27,350 --> 01:34:24,659
experiencer meets entities very similar

2200
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:27,360
to people on Ayahuasca or having these

2201
01:34:30,530 --> 01:34:29,280
you know mushrooms and this kind of

2202
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:30,540
stuff they're going back to my heart

2203
01:34:37,250 --> 01:34:33,360
these entities that they encounter and

2204
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:37,260
stuff this they're very similar and the

2205
01:34:43,129 --> 01:34:39,840
things that they communicate are very

2206
01:34:45,110 --> 01:34:43,139
similar and and it ties to this you know

2207
01:34:48,350 --> 01:34:45,120
the aliens are looking out for us type

2208
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:48,360
thing where you know you or you you know

2209
01:34:51,890 --> 01:34:50,639
are you Angels yes Where Angels oh are

2210
01:34:54,530 --> 01:34:51,900
you here to save us yes we're here to

2211
01:34:57,530 --> 01:34:54,540
the path of least resistant stuff you

2212
01:34:59,689 --> 01:34:57,540
know you can't get a really good

2213
01:35:02,030 --> 01:34:59,699
understanding without walking that wall

2214
01:35:06,950 --> 01:35:02,040
you gotta walk past that sectional wall

2215
01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:06,960
it may tell you something very important

2216
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,380
that to me the the physical nuts and

2217
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:12,480
bolts craft if if that's what they

2218
01:35:19,550 --> 01:35:16,080
really are is not what's most

2219
01:35:21,649 --> 01:35:19,560
fundamentally important for mankind for

2220
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:21,659
our Human Experience

2221
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:24,239
these things are the things that are

2222
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:25,679
important they're

2223
01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:28,080
we tend to when we start talking about

2224
01:35:31,790 --> 01:35:30,239
that aspect you know the angel and demon

2225
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:31,800
and that kind of stuff related to the

2226
01:35:36,530 --> 01:35:34,560
UFO Farm we go oh you're you're you know

2227
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:36,540
you're associating UFOs with religion

2228
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:40,400
like no that's a mischaracterization

2229
01:35:45,470 --> 01:35:42,960
religions are associated with UFOs in

2230
01:35:49,070 --> 01:35:45,480
other words every virtually every

2231
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:49,080
religion came about as a result of an

2232
01:35:54,050 --> 01:35:51,840
encounter some form of encounter with

2233
01:35:55,490 --> 01:35:54,060
some non-human intelligence

2234
01:35:58,250 --> 01:35:55,500
you can't

2235
01:35:59,689 --> 01:35:58,260
make it into the religion and then oh

2236
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,699
well and then it's associated with your

2237
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:01,679
the other way around you have to

2238
01:36:06,530 --> 01:36:04,560
understand how these things came to be

2239
01:36:10,850 --> 01:36:06,540
and

2240
01:36:12,669 --> 01:36:10,860
for another probably another that we're

2241
01:36:15,950 --> 01:36:12,679
going to have to get into but that's

2242
01:36:18,410 --> 01:36:15,960
huge that gets into the Ancient Aliens

2243
01:36:21,649 --> 01:36:18,420
thing and all sorts of aspects of this

2244
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:21,659
that there's just so much there to to

2245
01:36:25,310 --> 01:36:23,280
pick apart

2246
01:36:27,950 --> 01:36:25,320
absolutely when you come back so we can

2247
01:36:29,810 --> 01:36:27,960
hash that out sure anytime all right

2248
01:36:32,090 --> 01:36:29,820
Marty it's been awesome so tell folks

2249
01:36:34,490 --> 01:36:32,100
what you're up to you guys are working

2250
01:36:36,890 --> 01:36:34,500
on some great shows those serpent boys

2251
01:36:38,330 --> 01:36:36,900
are keep pulling you in for more and

2252
01:36:40,729 --> 01:36:38,340
more great content that you're putting

2253
01:36:42,530 --> 01:36:40,739
out and you got this whole MK Ultra

2254
01:36:43,729 --> 01:36:42,540
thing that you're working on tip your

2255
01:36:45,410 --> 01:36:43,739
hand a little bit tell us what we're

2256
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:45,420
gonna find over there yeah we're working

2257
01:36:49,610 --> 01:36:47,280
on this series right now on brothers and

2258
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:49,620
serpent uh called the spookiest story

2259
01:36:54,290 --> 01:36:52,320
never told we've done one part so far

2260
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:54,300
there are at least three more episodes

2261
01:36:59,629 --> 01:36:57,360
depending on how much detail I find that

2262
01:37:01,850 --> 01:36:59,639
I end up having to do a lot of editing

2263
01:37:04,490 --> 01:37:01,860
for to be a little more concise if

2264
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:04,500
that's even if you can it's kind of like

2265
01:37:11,870 --> 01:37:08,719
an oxymoron but in order to understand

2266
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:11,880
the historical progression of some of

2267
01:37:16,850 --> 01:37:14,159
these Technologies and abilities and the

2268
01:37:18,350 --> 01:37:16,860
overlaps and it gets very again very

2269
01:37:20,510 --> 01:37:18,360
complicated because there are a lot of

2270
01:37:23,090 --> 01:37:20,520
overlaps between these Technologies

2271
01:37:25,250 --> 01:37:23,100
whether they're you know

2272
01:37:28,370 --> 01:37:25,260
human Technologies or non-human

2273
01:37:31,370 --> 01:37:28,380
Technologies and things like that but we

2274
01:37:32,510 --> 01:37:31,380
have a lot of data coming up that I

2275
01:37:34,189 --> 01:37:32,520
think people might find really

2276
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:34,199
interesting and you know it's really

2277
01:37:37,729 --> 01:37:36,000
cool our interaction I think is what

2278
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:37,739
makes it really like our conversation

2279
01:37:42,649 --> 01:37:40,560
here it's not just the data that we're

2280
01:37:45,169 --> 01:37:42,659
discuss that it's being presented it's

2281
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:45,179
the interaction the conversations that

2282
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:47,040
we have about that data that make it

2283
01:37:50,750 --> 01:37:48,239
most interesting

2284
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:50,760
oh yeah it's it's great it's it's really

2285
01:37:55,610 --> 01:37:53,280
really great it's entertaining but it's

2286
01:37:57,950 --> 01:37:55,620
also extremely informative I'm a huge

2287
01:38:01,010 --> 01:37:57,960
fan so uh I'm right there with you but

2288
01:38:01,790 --> 01:38:01,020
this has been great and we'll do it

2289
01:38:05,570 --> 01:38:01,800
again

2290
01:38:07,610 --> 01:38:05,580
thanks for having me on I loved it

2291
01:38:09,770 --> 01:38:07,620
thanks again to Marty Garza for joining

2292
01:38:12,050 --> 01:38:09,780
me today on skeptico the one question

2293
01:38:17,149 --> 01:38:12,060
idea from this interview is the title of

2294
01:38:22,010 --> 01:38:17,159
the show is E.T satanic in all the ways

2295
01:38:25,070 --> 01:38:22,020
that might obfuscate or clarify this

2296
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:25,080
question let me know let me hear from

2297
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:28,560
you until next time take care bye for